Ex Military? This is scary!

excessive time to pick up a gun

I have no problem in getting approved for a hand gun/rifle/shotgun, takes about 15 minutes or less.

My friend on the other hand, former Homeland security agent, takes hours or sometimes days. He had allot of security clearances when he was an agent. Each time his id is run they have to re-verify the access. That means each time he wants to buy a gun, they re-check each access to make sure no issues. The more access you have, the more secure your access type was; the longer it will take. A friend of his a former police officer takes just as long.

It is nothing again the original Post, just the nature of the beast. :o
 
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Very interesting. I called FBI/NICS and spoke to a very nice lady in Customer Service, believe it or not. She listened to my tale of woe and said that they would never do such a thing and, she wasn't trying to blow me off but could not answer my question. The FBI and federal government has nothing to do with Florida background checks. Florida has their own system and our friendly feds are out of it. She did also say that she can't imagine either them or Florida discriminating against any veteran and that your congressman would explode if he ever heard of such a thing.

I will do a little investigating at the state level and let you know what I find. My dealer did call again today and try to run the check again and got his butt chewed out for trying to sneak around the system. Maybe I will have to have a legislator or even the state's attorney's office look into the practice (after I get approved.) Something still stinks!
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Sounds like you have encountered the proverbial idiot gun store employee. I sure hope you had you hip waders on cause the fertilizer was real high with reason that you were given.
 
I claim; "SHNANAGANS!"...

I have many, many doubts about this forum member's posted remarks.

A "real" sworn LE officer of any type would have a detailed understanding of the NCIC(background check system) and/or the ups & downs of the US Dept of Homeland Security, DoD, NARA(national archives & records; www.NARA.gov ).
A real or former US law enforcement officer would know or at least be aware of the FLEOSA(federal law signed by President Bush) to allow some retired or ex sworn LEOs to carry loaded, concealed firearms nationwide.
Does this "retired Major" & former veteran not know of these plans or laws?
I honestly doubt DHS or any other federal agency is really deeply concerned about every US veteran who buys a firearm.
Think about it. A real in-depth program would require millions of US tax $ & 100s of full time, trained federal employees to do what the forum member states in his post.

I call; "quackers" to this post! :)
 
I’d wait awhile before dissing DepOne.

I’ve seen many stupid actions by our wonderful guvmint and would hesitate to say it didn’t happen.

Let’s wait until the fat lady sings.
 
This is strange being a Florida resident and being guardsman. I came back home and bought several guns from various stores with out any delay from uncle sam. As others said I think there is more going on that only the state knows.
 
Friend works in US Army Intel. Has a TS-SBI (Top Secret - Special Background Investigation) in order to do his job. The TS-SBI was suspended because of some comments he made. His access to TS material is also suspended, pending review by US Army/FBI.

He has purchased three guns (two handguns) since his security clearance has been suspended. Never delayed.

Myself: Retired Master Sergeant, USAF. TS-BI (Top Secret -Background Investigation). Work with/inspected several classified programs/accounts. I was retiring and refused to update my security clearance again. (This is a red flag in the security community, if you refuse to update/renew a security clearance.)

Never been delayed buying any type of gun.

I think there is something else going on here, like others said. I think it is more likely to be someone with either your name or a similar name. Have you ever had your identity stolen?
 
Hey, in this brave new world it's the people they know the most about that they trust the least. :)

I've not run into any problems like this (I hold a DODAF Secret) and a friend of mine hasn't had this problem, and he holds a TS SCI with lifestyle poly.
 
Though I couldnt swear it... It probably hase mor to do with the housekeeping of information put into the system. Some agencies or individuals may be more diligent with their input of data, and some less so. Some input data may have generic info and be used for several different kind of disposition, one of witch may prohibit firearm ownership.

Remember... this is our government at work... Civil servants you know?

Glenn D.
 
A lot of the problems for exmilitary has do do with your specialized training. As a retired LTC with and EOD background, I apparently am on the watch list. Each time I attempt to fly, I am pulled out of line an checked by TSA security.

The last time I was pulled out I asked the young lady why I was pulled out of line. She started to give me some story when I interupted her and said "This is why and showed her my Military ID. She hung her head in shame.

I have not had a problem with wait times because I obtained my AZ CCW to avoide the wait times, harrassment and potential abuses by an a potentially corrupt Sheriff and his goon squad.
 
i spent a career in US Army EOD. Also worked for many years in Arab countries. i've never been delayed on an instant check or hassled at an airport.
 
ClydeFrog said:
Does this "retired Major" & former veteran not know of these plans or laws?
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Military personnel are not law enforcement officers and are not covered by the LEOSA, so why would a retired military officer be expected to know about the LEOSA? It doesn't affect him.
 
It is apparant that some of the commenter do not believe that the administration is targeting exmilitary with a specific emphasis on SpeOps personnel.

You need to review comments made by Janet Neapolitano during her tenure. Other less prominent Administration have made similiar comments.
 
Don't always assume malicious intent when incompetence is the more likely cause. Granted, with the edicts coming from DHS these days, malice isn't as much of a stretch as it ought to be.

FWIW, I am a retired USAF E-7 who held a Secret or Top Secret clearance (usually tied to PRP) throughout my military career. I currently have a Secret clearance as a USAF Civilian. Never a problem purchasing a gun, even when investigations were pending.
 
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Don't always assume malicious intent when incompetence is the more likely cause.
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i'm familiar with the comments made by Neapolitano and others. IMO: It means nothing. i do not see large numbers of former military folks being hassled by the US gov't. Most of my close friends are retired military. None of them are being hassled: Their insta-checks are all promptly approved.
 
Something is rotten in Denmark. I held a top secret clearance in the Military (Operations and Intelligence) and have worked as a Government Agent. I hold a CCW in Florida and have never had a delay with any NICS check.
 
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Exception to the rule Coast Guard Petty Officers are Military and Federal Law Enforcement and have been found by some courts to be covered by LEOSA. Will try to find the cite.
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It happens that I shoot with an active duty Coast Guardsman, whose duties usually include boarding and searching ships. The Coast Guard is formerly part of the Treasury Department and is now part of the Department of Homeland Security. They are not part of the Department of Defense unless the country is at war (meaning a declaration of war by the Congress, not some "war on drugs" or "war on terrorism") and they have been formally transferred to the DoD. Ergo, they are not "military."

According to my shooting acquaintance, they are also NOT law enforcement, at least not in a way that qualifies them under the LEOSA. His unit conducts boardings beyond the limits of U.S. waters. They do not have domestic powers of arrest. If you read the language of the LEOSA, it is very specific as to who qualifies ... and Coasties for the most part do not.

Note the closing sentence from the Wiki article you cited:

The Coast Guard has issued a formal directive to advise Coast Guard personnel of which Coast Guard personnel are considered to be covered by LEOSA, and the limitations of such coverage.
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AB's remarks, major problem; FLEOSA issues....

To reply directly to AB's comments about the "retired major".

The forum member, in the 1st topic post stated they were a "Major" who served for years in a Sheriff's Office(sworn LE officer).
I DID NOT say the topic post member was a 0-4/Major in the US Armed Forces but they did state they are a US military veteran.

It's good to read over the posted material 1 or 2 times before you quote a forum member or the remarks.

As for the FLEOSA status I do not think it applys to retired US Army MPs, CIDC special agents(active duty), USAF security forces, US Navy MAAs, etc.
 
As much as I admire our veterans (being one, and having children who are also), from the paranoid point of view of security agancies, veterans are a creditable threat pool. We have all kinds of training, and sadly not everyone who served in the military is pure as the driven snow.

Historical examples abound. Mc Veigh was a veteran. Hitler was a veteran. Napoleon was a veteran, etc..

I don't mind increased awareness or even scrutiny, provided it stays within reason. And that's the rub, what is within reason? And who decides it?

I have held secret, Top Secret and "Q" level clearances. I have had those clearances revoked, when it was no longer needed for my job. Never been delayed, or denied. A friend of mine,with similar clearance history has been delayed, on occassion, due to his file being "flagged".

The sole reason it was flagged was that he had a clearance. He got it "adjusted" so that now they don't flag him and have to go look up why (not sure what he did, but there is a process).

Our security people are paranoid. That's what we pay them for. Are they paranoid enough? And is what we all have to put up with (some of us more than others) worth it?

I don't have the answers, not sure if anyone does. Certainly its not fun to fly anymore, too much worry about violating some new rule,plus, being old, fat, and borderline lazy with back trouble means talking off and putting on my shoes is no trivial matter!:rolleyes:

But if it keeps us safe, what can you say?

On the other hand, proving a negative is difficult. Just because something hasn't happened doesn't mean we are doing the right thing, does it?
 
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