Ex Military? This is scary!

I am an ex operator. The federle gov has given me a little grief here and there but not a huge deal in the past 5 years. When I frist left Astan and became civi. I had all kinds of issues from being on terror whatch list. Haveing pass port revoked, and SS listed as dead. Took a little work but got most of it cleared up. I figure that I am still on some whatch list somewhere due to what I did while in the service and where I was. But I have noticed that it is different then the rest of the terror list that are out there. I have had no trouble getting firearms what so ever. Got my PP redone and cleared and not had any issues at the Airports since then. I had a TS and a DCID clearance dont know how much that played into the whole thing.
I wonder now though if some where there is some whatch dog agency freakin out and all since I took a job with a PMC lol...just have to wait and see.

I feel that it is stupid for the gov to look at us ex-operators as potential terrorist unless the gov. is the one screwing up. Most military people take there oath for real while on active or reserve duty but not so much afterwards and I see this all the time and know it is true, but most operators take it for real for life. The gov is, to me, scared of that part where we said " I swear to protect the constitution against all enemies forgin and domestic". That just my opion. I am no terrorist becuase I served in SPEC OPS, I am just a freedom loving american vet and wish that my own gov would understand that. But at the same time the phyc. profile of what they look for in spec ops operators is very close to that for what HLS looks for in terrorist and the FBI look for in serial killers. The difference to me being the reasons and ways we have chosen to use that profile is what sets us apart. Just cause I am out of the service now does not mean that my reasons have changed.
 
My understanding is that a security clearance has as part of its process a full background records check... which is conducted, in part, by and on FBI systems and records. A security clearance runs through many sources and across many records systems. Any records check by any federal or state government agency will cause a 'flag' put on your name. This flag will be seen during any subsequent background check. These flags are just that...flags and can be for a multitude of reasons, the reason for which can not be seen until a more than just a cursory investigation is done, which in the case of a gun purchase is just that...a cursory scan for anything warranting a closer look. These "flags' will seen by the state agency doing the gun check and must be investigated as to why they are in place. In your case, you were flagged is because you have had a recent enough background investigation that can still be seen during a gun purchase background check by your state agency.

I am delayed every time I purchase a gun. And every time its because of my security clearance.
 
Markus Wynn...

Writer & former spec ops expert(FAA Sky Marshal, EP agent) Markus Wynn(check correct spelling) wrote a novel where a highly trained spec ops agent had to track down a former assoc & close friend.
Wynn writes in depth about these related subjects(spec ops training, personality screening/psych evals, going undercover, etc).

Retired US Army CSM(E-9) Eric Haney who was a Ranger tab infantry soldier & former Delta/SFOD-Delta member wrote about these topics in his non-fiction book; Inside The Delta Force.
 
I had a secret security clearance(not top secret), and actually I believe it hasn't expired yet. I have never been delayed. That is not to say that isn't a reason sometimes for a delay.

I don't think it is "scary"; I think it is just frustrating for people to be delayed while others aren't, because they know they are good-to-go, & because it happens over and over again.
 
The delay is not really my issue with it. At least it lets me know that they are doing there job and actually checking. My problem is that 99% of vets are g2g and some have been down range getting shot at for this country and that is the treatment we get once home. I dont expect any special treatment but treat us at least as good as the normal law abiding citizen, not like a potental terrorist.
 
I am currently serving, and haven't bought a new firearm in quite a while. (I have been overseas quite a bit.) I can't wait :eek: to have this happen to me.
 
Aguila Blanca:

The wiki reference you quoted states "The Coast Guard has issued a formal directive to advise Coast Guard personnel of which Coast Guard personnel are considered to be covered by LEOSA, and the limitations of such coverage."
Therefore the CG realizes that some personnel are covered by LEOSA.

I am aware of the history of the CG. First it was Dept. of Treasury, then Dept. of Transportation and finally Homeland Security. I was in it under all 3 Depts.
The Coast Guard Petty Officers that are not at sea and at boat stations all over the U.S. are Federal L.E. Officers they all wear guns and have machineguns on their boats, Lake Tahoe, a Federal Lake, CG are LE's there & make BUI arrests and other arrests on the lake There are many other instances. When I was CG in New Orleans, I made an arrest for boat theft on Lake Ponchartrain, Coast guard is on active duty in the Middle East serving now. In smallboats as well as ships, we had gunboat crews serving in Viet Nam ask your buddy if he has a DD FORM 2 he can find the number on the back of his United States Uniformed Services I.D. Card That is an Armed Forces I. D. Card
Your buddy needs to learn about his own service. Check it out yourself.

http://www.uscg.mil/top/missions/ A Coast Guard website.

Also read this: http://handgunlaw.us/documents/LEOSACoastGuardCarryCourtCase.pdf One of the Court decisions on USCG & LEOSA

Sorry Rant off.
 
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Similar but not the same. I won a gun at a gun show back in the early 90's and was wearing a loaded and holstered duty/off-duty weapon at the time. I had to go through a week waiting period before I could pick it up. Society was protected during that week!
 
Re the post below, sorry but the confusion is my fault. Actually I was an O4 USAF Major, and later became a Major and CO of the Law Enforcement Division of a sheriff's department, so both issues were of interest. Since my carry permit is good in almost 40 states I have not really paid attention to HR218. And now that I know Florida is the one state that does their own instant background checks, there is a new light on the matter.

I talked to the FBI and they were most helpful. They told me to apply to them for an FBI PIN, which you put next to your SSN on the Form 4473 and you will sail right through the checks. Apparently the state recognizes that you have been vetted by the feds and that's the end of it.

Again, sorry for the confusion.

Major Major



AB's remarks, major problem; FLEOSA issues....

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To reply directly to AB's comments about the "retired major".

The forum member, in the 1st topic post stated they were a "Major" who served for years in a Sheriff's Office(sworn LE officer).
I DID NOT say the topic post member was a 0-4/Major in the US Armed Forces but they did state they are a US military veteran.

It's good to read over the posted material 1 or 2 times before you quote a forum member or the remarks.
 
Youngunz: you are kinda right. Some courts have held that C.G are covered by HR218, however if you are carrying and another L.E. feels you are wrong and arrests you and the court throws it out you still can be shafted by your unit.
 
sounds like the guy was talking out of the wrong end. I'm active duty and hold a security clearance. I went in to buy a gun and was cleared inside of 5 minutes, my brother went to the same store and waited nearly a week for his BGC to clear...
 
"My understanding is that a security clearance has as part of its process a full background records check."

No.

The amount of digging that goes into one's background depends greatly on both the agency conducting the investigation AND the clearance level being issued.

A confidential clearance (aka Position of Public Trust) clearance may only involve a finger print and credit history review.

Secret may not be much more invasive than the PPT investigation, or it may come pretty close to the effort carried out for a Top Secret.
 
I have a buddy that was put on some airplane "watch list" when he joined the Marines.

Doesn't make sense to me, doesn't make sense to him either. But apparently its a pretty good pain in the rear when he has to fly around, especially for marine duty.
 
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