Everybody told me not to buy it...

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Blue Duck357

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:Well not everybody, but a lot ;)

Most places I posted when considering my next purchase came back mainly with negative comments. Some call Glock the "Dark side" try talking about a S/W auto in .40 S/W :eek:

Picked up my used police surplus (pre-boycott for those interested) 4006 today, due to weather only got 50 rounds through it which doesn't prove a thing reliability wise of course. I also only got to shoot four 5 shot groups seriusly trying at 25 yards accuracy wise so thats definitly still of question too but here's what I found so far with my gun.

Trigger: Heard it would be horrid and was expecting such. Single action there is a lot of take-up, but I can deal with that. Double action is however great, not very heavy at all (much lighter than the Beretta and Taurus guns I've owned and as light as the 2 Sig's I've shot) and most important exceptionally smooth.

Ergonomics: Glad I got to try one in a shop as all I'd heard about S/W autos were that that they didn't fit anybody and that the decocker was hard to reach. I must be nobody because it fits me like a glove (much better than a G-19) and I could reach everythig just fine.

Weight: Kept hearing it was too heavy. Well it is heavy no doubt. Much heavier than most 40's,bad for carry maybe, but good for shooting! I found the Glock 23 to be a bit snappy for my taste, but this gun is about the same size as the 23 but compares in recoil to the extra full size Glock 35. The 4006 is the closest thing I've found to an "easy shooting" 40. At one time I thought I just didn't like the 40 cartridge, I now realize that I personally just needed it in a bit heavier gun.

Mag safety: Cannot feel it at all in the trigger pull, but did think "Well darn it is a piece of junk" when I had the mag out when first examining the gun and couldn't get it to dryfire. I finally figured it out :o

Accuracy 50 rounds of one brand is no test, especially when the first 20 were just getting the feel of the gun. But already I've gotten better groups than my G-23,G-22 or 1991A1's gave, and thats comparing first trip out with one ammo brand with this gun compared to those guns with thier favorite loads.

Just goes to show that even though a bunch of very knowlegable people don't like something doesn't mean it may not work best for you personally. Reliability's still a question which I need to prove to myself, but right now I'm happy as a clam. I guess part of it is me being anti fashionable because it gives me some perverse pleasure to be sitting here so high on a such an unloved gun :D
 
Just goes to show that even though a bunch of very knowlegable people don't like something doesn't mean it may not work best for you personally.
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Haven't you noticed that very few TFLers express "original" opinions about the guns they don't like...? :D

Glad you're happy with it!

BTW, how happy could a clam really be in all that cold wet sand or just plain cold wet anyway? :D
 
Had one myself a few years back. I was very happy with it. I've also had a couple of 4506's and a 5906, a 6906, two 457's and a 915. All worked just fine. :)
 
Mr. Black Hawk, you're right in saying -- "Haven't you noticed that very few TFLers express "original" opinions about the guns they don't like...?

I think there is a place for every discussion on particular thing.

If you are a Glock mania don't say to much over here.

If you are talking Korean made guns the place is not here.

Only Norinco I think that is gaining a little over here.

The only famous guns on TFLrs were: Sig, HK, Keltec, Khar, S&W, Ruger (built like a tank as described) Sometimes Colt is even lambasted. Whatever it is, this is my favorite webhome "The Firing Line" because I am a 1911 afficionado. Thats why, I don't talk so much about of my Daewoo, Jerico, my Old Police Colt Positive for I don't get so much comments on it.

:D
 
Congrat's there Duck Man, my ole' buddy-

Smith & Wesson has made some very decent semi's over
a period of years; perhaps the 4006 is one of them. Never
owning one myself, I really can't compare it to other makes
or models. My favorite S&W semi is of course, the 39-2; as
most of them were beautifully finished, and wore a nice set
of walnut grip's. Fit and finish were superb; and most were
moderately accurate, depending on the shooter. I'm sure
that some of these qualities carried over into other models
as well. When the weather breaks, put a few more boxes
down range and I think all your ill's will be cured.:D :cool: :)

Have fun, stay safe and shoot straight pal-

Best Wishes,
Ala Dan, N.R.A. Life Member
 
Sounds like you picked up a winner, Blue Duck. I have had my 4006 for several years and I like it a lot. It is a well made solid pistol and feels well balanced. My only complaint has been the gritty trigger and I have reported that here. I am glad you got a good smooth one. 10 to 1 it has been worked on by the armorer at the PD or by S&W.
 
Good on you Duck....

As always, it's refreshing to get contrary opinions on out of favor guns. I've been drawn to the 4006 several times (I too find the ergonomics good for my hand) but so far have backed away due to neg. comments. Look forward to further reports on accuracy and reliability. Thanks and good shootin'.
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I got my 5904 Smitty before I met TFL...

then I added a 4506, a 4006, a 5906, then traded the 5904 for a Beretta Mini-Cougar, but am DEFINITELY keeping my stainless Smitty's...

as you said, they fit like a glove... and all have smooth actions...

all also have that LONG SA takeup, but I can deal with it...

Smitty's are darned good weapons, OMHO...

as for TFL'ers opinions... I do occasionally ask for them... then I read through, and take the ones that come with ACTUAL accounts... (people who own the gun) and weigh in the "recognition factor" of the person posting the opinion...

in the end, SOMETIMES you gotta try a "flier" you dod, Blue Duck, and look what it gained ya! :D
 
shy_man,
I don't talk so much about of my Daewoo....
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I'd like to find out more about Daewoo pistols, but there doesn't seem to be a Daewoo website for its firearms, and I've never knowingly laid eyes on any of them.

Because of the quality of other Daewoo products, I'm sorry that there doesn't seem to be much of a marketing effort going on to sell firearms in the U.S.
 
See, we told you you were going to hate it.

And you were soooooo smart that you thought you didn't have to listen to us... :)

Glad its worked out for you. With two exceptions, I just can't get enthused about S&W semi-autos. Never have been, never will be.

The two exceptions are the 4506 and earlier variants (I just think it looks neat, and it feels good in my hands, too), and the 3913.
 
as to the mag safety, it is easily removed with little (if any) skill required if one so desires and I so desired so I ripped them out of all my S&W autos, I was once a Smith auto basher but gave them another chance and am now a collector of sorts
 
Blue, I feel the same way about my recent 639 purchase. I've always had a thing for the 39 series single stack autos and I haven't been disappointed with mine. The fit of the single stack is much better for my hands and my wife's hands (an important consideration, makes it easier to buy the thing ;) ). I've found that many double stack pistols feel like 2x4's. I've also found that the trigger is actually pretty smooth. Sure, like yours, there's some take-up, but once you get to the point where you feel some resistance, it breaks pretty cleanly. Recoil is not uncomfortable at all either. It shoots straighter than the owner and, as I've been trying many different types and brands of ammo to see which shoots best, I've yet to have a malfunction.
 
I have a 5906, 5943TSW, 4006, 4046, 6906, 3913TSW and 457. All have been good guns. My most accurate is the 6906, which I love. None have ever jammed (outside of 200 or so rounds for break-in and certainly never after the 500 round mark). These guns like to be well-lubricated or wet. In my opinion that is a mistake that alot of people make - shooting a dry gun. If you're happy with it, it really doesn't matter what others think of your purchase. They are a bit bulky and heavy, but they are also perfectly serviceable guns. Good shooting.

I've been able to live with the mag safeties so far, so all of mine are intact. Hogue makes a rubber replacement grip for this gun. I suggest you try it. I have them on my 5900 and 4000 series guns.
 
Well at least I'm not the only one "out of the closet" on this. Hey while I'm on a roll how many of you other guys not only think S/W autos may not be junk but also agree Carl Malden is just kind of... you know.. attractive? Kidding! just kidding!!:D

Seriously thanks for all the comments, I knew I would not be the only one to like this gun, but it sure semed like it sometimes. Does take a bit away from my perverse pleasure of owning the most despised gun ever though ;)

I'd note to Mike it'll be awhile $$$ wise but agree the 4506, will come eventually.

To my friend AlaDan, love the blue as well, but wood can be bought for the 4006. Riddleofsteel had a great pic of his with cocoabolo grips. May not sound like it would look good, but was just beautifull.

Thanks all,
 
Blackhawk: Yes there is no website for Daewoo pistol but there are several site which advertise them, even in auction site they have too. Don't you think that perhaps they don't need to have a website anymore for they might have other strategy in their marketing niche.

If I remember, I bought a USA gun magazine and I have seen therein that there are also trader or outlet of Daewoo pistols in USA. They made several test too, and they said the Daewoo .22 cal., has semblance with the Walther PPK
 
I never had a high opinion of *&* autoloaders, until I picked up a 411 for a song and a dance, which turned out to be a really nice gun. Then I got a 1066, and it's been trouble-free, accurate and dead-bang reliable with any ammo so far.

I had to revise my opinion of *&* pistols based on those two guns, and now I'm looking for a 3913LS to go with the big 10mm.
 
Lends,

A friend of mine bought a 910 about 4 years ago. Nice concept for an S&W autoloader, addresses some issues, the biggest one being the price that the company asks for the 3rd gen pistols.

Unfortunatly, it simply would NOT shoot. Groups were double what they should have been. 4 different people shot it, with a variety of ammo, results were the same.

A trip to S&W did nothing to cure the problem, so the gun was traded on a Sig 228. Much better.
 
shy_man,
Don't you think that perhaps they don't need to have a website anymore for they might have other strategy in their marketing niche.
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For me, they need a website. There's an old caveat in sales contracts in the United States that goes something like this "Seller is not responsible for any representations made by any of its agents or sales people. The entire terms and conditions of this sale are contained within this document."

In other words, the only information you can count on is that which comes from the manufacturer. I've been 100% satisfied with all my thousands of transactions arranged through the Internet, and I've always followed my decades old rule of getting product information directly from the manufacturer or authorized manufacturer's agent.

Gun dealers are in the "Jack of all trades and master of none" category, and while they try, I've never found one yet who knows all the answers to the questions I ask about their products. Almost all gun rag articles I read fail to answer all my questions too.

Internet marketing is still new, and if Daewoo is serious about selling its guns here, I think it would have a website about them. If it's not serious enough to do that small, inexpensive thing, maybe it's not serious about staying in the gun business. I want to know that too. One of the main advantages of manufacturer's web sites is the "contact" button. I use it with questions like "what alloy is the barrel of your xxx made from?" if the information isn't otherwise discoverable on their website. It's amazing how fast answers to obvious (to me) questions like that show up on the website!

Bottom line: I want to know what the manufacturer says, I consider that to be the truth, and I don't want to have to rely on the hearsay and personal opinions of third parties who are not responsible or accountable for what they say.

Regards and shoot well! :D
 
Nothin wrong with S&W autos---except for the agreement.

I've had or currently own-- a 3913, two 908's and a CS9----the little single-stack S&W 9mm autos seem to be the best tool for my needs and I always seem to come back to them.
 
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