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"The intent of the resolution is to promote the importance of Cinco de Mayo and the reason why we celebrate the holiday -- which is courage, bravery, honor, freedom." That's why we celebrate the 4th of July Stupid!

Another Democrat pandering to the crowd. God, I'm really getting to physically detest these people.
http://www.borderlandnews.com/stories/borderland/20000504-6583.shtml

Official wants May 5 holiday

Steve DiMeglio
Washington Bureau

WASHINGTON -- A federal lawmaker wants the Mexican holiday of Cinco de Mayo to be celebrated in the United States much the same way Americans honor the Fourth of July, Memorial Day, Labor Day and other national holidays.

Rep. Joe Baca, D-Calif., joined by U.S. Rep. Silvestre Reyes, D-Texas, and other members of the Congressional Hispanic Caucus, introduced a resolution in the House Wednesday calling for a presidential proclamation that would recognize the historical significance of Cinco de Mayo and would lead to an annual observation in the United States.

"The value of this resolution is that it celebrates the diverse culture and people in the United States," Reyes said. "It will help people understand the culture of immigrants that came to this country from Mexico. It's one more way of celebrating who we are and how we got here."

"The time has come to celebrate the tremendous courage and bravery of Mexican Americans," Baca said. "Cinco de Mayo reminds us not only of courage and bravery but also of the close ties, spiritual as well as in economic, that bind the people of Mexico and California and the rest of the United States together in a mutually beneficial relationship."

Celebrated throughout Mexico and among Hispanics in the United States, Cinco de Mayo is a fiesta of Mexican culture, food, music and customs. The holiday celebrates the Battle of Puebla on May 5, 1862, in which a band of 4,500 inexperienced Mexican soldiers drove back a French army of 12,000 headed by Napoleon III, the great-grandnephew of Napoleon Bonaparte.

For many non-Hispanic Americans, Cinco de Mayo is often a confusing holiday, many times mistaken for Mexican Independence Day on Sept. 16. And in stark contrast to 1862, Reyes and others say, the real message of Cinco de Mayo is getting lost in a blitz of marketing tactics used to sell everything from beer to salsa.

"Unfortunately, a lot of these events become just another holiday," Reyes said. "The intent of the resolution is to promote the importance of Cinco de Mayo and the reason why we celebrate the holiday -- which is courage, bravery, honor, freedom."

For more information: www.mexonline.com/cinco.htm or www.cincodemayo.net

Copyright © 2000(Updated) El Paso Times.



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"Illegal aliens have always been a problem in America. Ask any Indian."

Can't remember off hand who to attribute this to.

People who immigrate to the US and want to live here should learn English. Period. If I move to Germany or France or Mexico you can bet I'll learn their language. Those who want ot live here, but expect everybody to accomodate their native language should go back to where they came from.

Two different languages/cultures and special treatment of one is what is tearing Canada apart.

It has occured to me that Hispanic immmigration, both legal and illegal is similiar to how Texas became part of the US. The Spanish encouraged their people to move to Texas, but most of them cosidered Texas to be a primitive frontier and did not want ot live there. They prefered to stay in Mexico. Anglos OTOH wnated to live in Texas and just kept coming. They also prefered their own culture and language. Eventually they took over.
 
A nation without borders is not a nation. BTW, G50AE, the Statue of Liberty was not made in the USA, and this isn't the nineteenth century. Resources are finite, population growth does not seem to be. There is no reason for the Mexican people to demand a change in their government when they have the USA as a safety relief valve for the dissatisfied. NAFTA was a monumental error. The USA should stop supporting the corrupt Mexican government, which steals from its poorest citizens.
 
Here is a reality check for everyone. By the middle of this century, hispanics will make whites a minority in this country. At least for me, that makes hispanics my best friends and we should be doing everything possible to lure these people into our culture. Get them to retain their values of family, self help and self determination. Keep these socialist government agencies from getting to them.

Robert
 
Here's an interesting twist on my Cinco de Mayo post.
http://www.nandotimes.com/nation/story/body/0%2C1037%2C500200172-500275917-501463684-0%2C00.html

American celebrations of Cinco de Mayo puzzle Mexicans

By MICHELLE RAY ORTIZ, Associated Press

SAN DIEGO -- Tossing tortillas and downing shots of tequila, Americans will honor Cinco de Mayo on Friday with such celebratory fervor that many Mexicans scratch their heads in wonderment.

Cinco de Mayo is a Mexican holiday, but a minor one. It marks a May 5, 1862, victory by a small army of Mexican patriots and peasants over stronger French forces, but it's not Mexican independence day - a common misconception among Cinco de Mayo partyers in the United States.

In the United States, it's become the Latin version of St. Patrick's Day - largely because makers of beer, chips, salsa and tequila promote it heavily as a reason to party.

"When Mexicans first come to the United States and somebody mentions that they're all excited about some Cinco de Mayo festival, they say, `What?"' said Carlos E. Garcia, president of a marketing firm in Burbank that specializes in Hispanic American consumers.

"It would be like Canadians making a big deal out of the Boston Tea Party," he said. "It's a non-event made into a big deal by marketing."

In Mexico, Cinco de Mayo is marked with sober battle re-enactments and political pronouncements.

Since the 1960s, Cinco de Mayo has evolved into a major event in Hispanic-heavy American communities because of a push by Chicano activists who wanted a Mexican cultural event celebrated in schools. But the marketing aspect of the holiday has become undeniable.

Margarita sales will double Friday at an El Tort Mexican restaurant in San Diego, where general manager Jacob Rivera is organizing a tortilla toss - a chance to win free meals by lobbing a corn tortilla into a sombrero.

Rivera, who can't recall celebrating Cinco de Mayo during his childhood in Tijuana, is good-natured about the party, seeing it as a chance to tell his mostly non-Mexican patrons a bit about history - even if it's only to explain that Mexican Independence Day is Sept. 16.

Cinco de Mayo is the biggest day of the year for avocados. Americans will eat 17 million pounds of the stuff, or 34 million avocados, mostly as guacamole, according to the California Avocado Commission. Super Bowl Sunday comes in second.

Sales also will jump for Jose Cuervo, the world's top-selling tequila, said Steve Goldstein of UDV North America, the brand's importers.

The company is dispatching a "Tijuana Taxi" to bars and restaurants in the Los Angeles area; throwing a block party with concerts and a "pub crawl" in Chicago; giving away T-shirts in New York; and dropping a "margarita bar" into the waters off Miami's South Beach in what is being billed as the "Sink-O de Mayo."

While some Hispanics feel Mexican culture warrants a holiday that promotes history more than hangovers, others welcome the merrymaking.

Maria Gisela Butler, a Chicano history professor at San Diego State University, said she used to ask students to list five things they knew about Mexico. Common responses were tacos, graffiti, crime or drugs, she said. Cinco de Mayo may promote superficial concepts of Mexico, she said, "but at least it's something positive."

Richard Griswold del Castillo, chairman of the university's Chicano studies department, added that the day honoring a "minor miracle" in Mexican history has resonance for today's Mexican-Americans.

"It showed valor and courage of the Mexican people fighting against a foreign invader," he said. "For the Chicanos in the United States, the same thing has existed for about 150 years, where the Mexican people have fought to preserve their culture, their language in the face of overwhelming odds."

And besides, he said, "America is famous for commercializing stuff. I guess it's a sign of success when you're being commercialized, too."
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>By the middle of this century, hispanics will make whites a minority in this country. At least for me, that makes hispanics my best friends and we should be doing everything possible to lure these people into our culture. [/quote]
Kind of along those lines, there is a school somewhere here in Colorado that teaches "bi-lingual" classes, as opposed to "ESL." The English-speaking kids take Spanish classes and the Spanish-speaking kids take English class. By the time they're in third or fourth grade, all of the kids take clases together. Some classes are taught in English, some in Spanish. I think that's pretty cool and I'd love for my son to attend a school like that.
Most people in industrialized nations speak more than one (usually several) languages fluently, with the US being the exception. Probably not gonna change too quickly being that public schools are run by the government. I think it would kinda scare the "monolingual" legislators. :D
 
Rep. Joe Baca is a craven socialist....and a moron.

Cinco de Mayo is fine the way it is. Here in the States, it is exactly like St Paddy's day...it is fun and an excuse to party. It is not an American holiday, nor is it an Hispanic holiday...the only place on earth that it is and should be, exclusively, an official holiday is in Mexico. We don't officially recognize Bastille Day, Mexico and Canada don't officially recognise our Thanksgiving Day.

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Mexico is a hard question with no easy answers. My personal views as to why the Spanish & portogese speaking countries have done so poorly as comparied to the English speaking countries may come from the fact that the basic governments there were founded by the Spanish and Portagese(sp) monoarchies that were pretty much at an historical end but used the gold of the new world to prop themselvs up for a nother 150 years, just long enough to establish cultures in central and south america that were psudo-copies of the systems that were just about dead on the iberian penensula. I will aslo say that the French and the Americans were both medilsom stangers but the die had pretty much been cast.

Of histoic note when the US won the war with Mexico some small mention was made of annexing most or all of it, I have never been sure if it would have been better for Mexico to be part of the US or not.
 
What I REALLY don't understand (I'd like to understand it) is the anti-Americanism part of the chicano culture. What I want to ask those demonstrators in Miami holding up CUBAN flags, not American, when fighting to keep Elian IN the US, and to the many, many Mexican folks around here who have the Mexican flag stickers on their cars, is this:

If Mexico (and Cuba) are so great, and you're so proud of that country, the WHY ARE YOU HERE?!? Did you (or your parents) come here because Mexico is so great, but they just wanted a change of pace in the US? Hell no - it's because Mexico's a depressed $hithole in the armpit of North America with an oppressive corrupt government. Thoughout our history, U.S. immigrants have been proud to call themselves Americans. Now these ungrateful bastards show nothing but contempt for the country they worked hard to escape to. I just don't get it, and it definitely gets me steaming. I say be proud to be American or get the you know what out! :confused:
 
The ant-globalist in me still thinks you can ownly sincerely love one country. There is a culture of expatriots in the US. The cubans who wave Cuban flags are supposed to have the desire to return to the country they truly love. Same goes for some Mexican wavers.
If my country was forced into submission by tyrants to the point I could no longer reside there safely and was exiled, I would have appreciation but not necessarily nationalistic reverence for the land who allowed me safe temporary haven.
This theory will be proven if the cuban population of Florida exhibits a mass exodus upon the death of Castro.
 
America alread LEGALLY immigrates more people than ALL the other industrialized countries COMBINED!

As long as that fact holds true, I don't think any liberal types can complain about our policies on immigration.

Also, the ONLY reason that our population in America is growing is due to immigration. Without immigration, our population would remain quite steady. So, if overpopulation is a concern where you live, keep that in mind. Immigration sounds great until it starts in fringing on your personal life.

If we want to be nice, what we should do is either help these countries improve, or, in my radical and arrogant American opinion the biggest favor we could do them would be to conquer their country and show them how to run it ;) (just a joke, I don't want that responsibility on our shoulders)


Also, I get real sick of the argument that we need illegals to pick cabbage etc and keep the prices low. "If they didn't do it" they claim "then cabbage prices would go up". Who cares! So prices go up a hair to pay for American labor to pick the produce. I can handle a little higher vegetable prices as long as I know it was picked legally by an American citizen.


The politicians truly fear these people though because they vote together. I was in Southern Cali a couple years ago when a law was passed outlawing gas powered weed whackers. Mexican landscapers protested. They went so far as to set up tents on the city councel property and refuse to eat until the law was repealed. No other group could have gotten away with this. For one, it is illegal to camp on city ground like that. If you want to protest you have to do it at the edge. These people were living on the front lawn and politicians were afraid to tell them to move. Not only that, but many of them were undoubtably illegal aliens (properly referred to as "undocumented immigrants" in PC land) and no one had the balls to go in there and card them and arrest them and ship them back to Mexico. These people have our politicians in their pocket because there are so many of them and they VOTE.
 
The vast majority of first generation Mexicans I've met are God fearing, honest people who will give you an honest day work for an honest day's wages. I can't say the same about some our own youngsters (all races & both sexes) who scheme to collect welfare or disability checks. I'd be happy to trade one Mexican who is willing to work for one of our "citizens" who is convicted of a violent felony (like rape). Let the Mexican police or Federales deal with them.
 
The Xenophobia in this thread makes me gag.

I say again. Get rid of the income tax, the government Ponzi scheme (Social Insecurity) and welfare...and the drug war, and you will lose most any need for the armed border guards we see here in Arizona which are increasingly moving miles inland from the border and harassing American citizens who look Mexican.

Until then, one police-state action begets another.

Rick
 
Immigrants Oath to become citizens of the United States. I wonder how much this oath means to immigrants and Americans alike? http://www.us-immigration.com/citizens.htm

OATH OF ALLEGIANCE TO THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA

"I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state or sovereignty, of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen; that I will support and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I will bear arms on behalf of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform noncombatant service in the armed forces of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform work of national importance under civilian direction when required by the law; and that I take this obligation freely without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; so help me God."

The Constitution
Section 8

Clause 4. To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;
* Naturalization (grant full citizenship to (one of foreign birth))
* uniform (conforming to one principle, standard, or rule; consistent)
* Bankruptcies (legal declarations of financial insolvencies)

1.. Grants to Congress the power to legislate the process whereby immigrants may become citizens.
2.. Does not give Congress the power to force the States to provide funding for the personal welfare of any person, citizen or not.
3.. Grants to Congress the power to legislate the subject of bankruptcies (debtors' insolvencies). The word 'subject' is broad and appears to confer all aspects of bankruptcy legislation (lawmaking) upon Congress.
 
RickD...

The major problem with your concept is that government and the people are, by nature, at odds. You want less control...I agree, so do I....but there has never, ever been a gov't throughout Earth history that has not sought more control, nor voluntarily given up any achieved. No matter how benevolent, any gov't is the sworn enemy of an individual person.

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A few points . One : I spoke only German as a child and found what bi-lingual was all about . If you don't speak our lingual BYE !!!I learned English fast .
Two : Many Mexicans don't learn English because they don't have to . They can survive speaking only Spanish . Why ? Because vote hungry Democrats and Mexican politicians want it that way . Southern California if run by Anglo brains and money . It is fueled by cheap Mexican labor . If they don't learn English they will be cheap help for their entire lives . They drop out of school at or before the ninth grade so they can get a job to support the kid their 15 year old girlfriend is having . With both working they will still be a drain on the economy . Learn the language and stay in school . It's that simple .
I know I'll get flamed so I'll reply later . Now I must get off line so I can call and order a pizza . Wonder who will bring it .

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DC: you're right
"...SAN DIEGO -- Tossing tortillas and downing shots of tequila, Americans will honor Cinco de Mayo on Friday with such celebratory fervor that many Mexicans scratch their heads in wonderment..."

On St. Patty's Day, 100% of Americans become 100% Irish. It, cinco de Mayo, etc, are just another excuse to get juiced up and act goofy (i've done it!).

I'm glad there's some positive balance here... less xenophobia rather than more. immigration is what made this country great. Political correctness, the socialist "gimme gimme" programs and the "victim" mindset is what's ruining it. Give people (immigrants) an real chance to better their lives honestly, and most will, imo. Teach him to fish rather than giving him fish... but maybe I'm naive?

PS: Rodrigo... you are BP? I want to go to some of the countries you mentioned...

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"To the growing consternation of Mexican and American officials" ???? If the INS or the mexican border police did their job, this wouldn't happen. Note how much support our govt. gives these Americans.
http://www.tucsoncitizen.com/news/stories/Story1256667.html

Barnetts defiantly detain illegals
An ABC news crew watches a roundup on the Douglas ranch.

To the growing consternation of Mexican and American officials, brothers Roger and Don Barnett this week again detained a group of illegal immigrants trespassing on their Douglas ranch.

With an ABC news crew in tow, the brothers apprehended nine illegal immigrants early Wednesday morning, the U.S. Border Patrol confirmed.

Earlier this week, Mexico's foreign minister condemned the detentions, and said Mexico is considering filing a lawsuit against ranchers who detain immigrants. Excluding Wednesday's incident, the Mexican government blames Barnett and his family for 13 of 24 detentions documented in the past year.

The U.S. ambassador to Mexico recently characterized Americans who detain Mexican immigrants. saying they are using a "Three Stooges" mentality.

Roger Barnett yesterday complained that other Southern Arizona residents are not getting into trouble when they detain immigrants trespassing through their properties.

"I'm the only one that gets called on the carpet," he said. Barnett remained defiant about his activities.

"The Mexican government, they want to try to put the blame on me and my brother," he said. "They don't know how to look in the mirror and see that they're the biggest abuser of their citizens."

In an April 11 letter obtained by the Tucson Citizen, and addressed to Roger Barnett, Tucson Border Patrol Chief David Aguilar warned him that he did not have the authority to detain or arrest illegal immigrants.

"In taking such actions you could potentially be at risk of personal danger, criminal prosecution, and/or civil suit for false arrest or other civil liabilities," Aguilar warned.

In Wednesday's incident, nine illegal immigrants had crossed the border at Agua Prieta and walked all night, said Miguel Escobar, Mexico's consul in Douglas. They were sleeping near Highway 80 at milepost 386, on the Barnett property.

Barking dogs awoke the immigrants at about 6:50 a.m., the consul said. A man wearing a holstered firearm and two women, one also wearing a pistol, approached the group. The immigrants tried to run away, but they came upon the other brother in a pickup truck, Escobar said.

The immigrants complained the armed man swore at them, and the dogs frightened them, the consul said.

The incident made front page headlines in yesterday's El Imparcial, the leading newspaper in Sonora. " 'Hunting' nine migrants," the headline warned.

The article quoted the American consul in Hermosillo, Son., as saying the "hunting of illegals" was exaggerated because there have been very few incidents considering the large number of illegal crossings. The consulate yesterday referred media calls to the U.S. Embassy in Mexico City.

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Let's see now, what was that part in the Constitution on States entering into compacts with foreign nations?

Wednesday, August 4, 1999

Zedillo Key to End of Prop. 187, Villaraigosa Says
By MARY BETH SHERIDAN, L.A. Times Staff Writer

MEXICO CITY--California Assembly Speaker Antonio Villaraigosa thanked President Ernesto Zedillo here Tuesday for helping defuse Proposition 187, saying the Mexican
leader played a key role in scuttling the controversial state measure that denied benefits to illegal immigrants.

"As leader of the state Assembly, I say President Zedillo had great impact in defeating Proposition 187," Villaraigosa
told a news conference after he and a state delegation met the Mexican chief executive. Zedillo's visit to California in May "pushed the process" that eventually invalidated most of the measure, the speaker said.

Villaraigosa's declarations were perhaps the clearest sign yet of California's radical change in relations with Mexico and of the rise of a new phenomenon: cross-border politics. Once a distant neighbor, the Mexican president has become a prized ally
for California politicians eager to court the Latino vote.

"The emergence of cross-border coalitions and issues shows the advent of a whole new era in U.S.-Mexican and Mexico-California relations," said Denise Dresser, a visiting fellow at the Pacific Council think tank in Los Angeles.

The meeting with Zedillo was the centerpiece of a four-day visit to Mexico by Villaraigosa, a Los Angeles Democrat who is
trying to promote economic and political ties between California and its southern neighbor. He is also considering a run for mayor of Los Angeles.

A senior Mexican official who attended Tuesday's meeting said Villaraigosa told Zedillo that the latter's trip to California was "decisive" in invalidating Proposition 187.

"He gave thanks on behalf of Mexican Americans," said the official, Deputy Foreign Minister Juan Rebolledo.

"I was surprised he was so explicit," Rebolledo added.

Villaraigosa told reporters that Zedillo's statewide visit was crucial because it generated an outpouring of positive
feelings and publicity. He added that the presence of the Mexican leader pushed Gov. Gray Davis to promise he would "never be a party to an effort to kick kids out of school."

That statement was the first indication that Davis would not support the main provisions of Proposition 187, a state referendum approved in 1994 by nearly 60% of California voters. It barred illegal immigrants from attending public schools and receiving social services.

The Mexican president responded to Villaraigosa's declarations Tuesday by breaking into applause, said Raul Hinojosa, a UCLA professor in the California delegation.

Since taking office in January, Davis has greatly strengthened ties with Mexico, which had been sorely strained by what Mexicans perceived as the anti-immigrant attitude of former Gov. Pete Wilson.

But Davis faced a dilemma with Proposition 187. The governor personally opposed the measure but said he felt bound by voters' wishes to continue Wilson's appeal of a federal court decision that had ruled much of the initiative unconstitutional. In
April, Davis decided to submit the issue for court-sponsored mediation.

Last week, he agreed to a settlement that abandoned the appeal.

Dresser, a political scientist, said Villaraigosa's statements reflected the growth of cross-border politics, which has
been manifest in such novelties as Mexican politicians campaigning in California to capture the approval of immigrants who wield influence back home.

"NAFTA has just accelerated the process of silent integration" of the two neighbors, she said, referring to the North American Free Trade Agreement. Dresser said Zedillo didn't overtly contribute to the demise of Proposition 187. But his visit, which emphasized rapidly increasing trade ties between California and Mexico, "led many to
believe the benefits of doing away with 187 far outweighed the negative consequences."

Villaraigosa said in an interview Tuesday that he is seeking alternatives to propositions like 187 to stem the flow of illegal immigrants into California.

One such idea, he said, is a new program that combines donations from Mexican Americans and funds from the western state of Jalisco, a major source of immigrants to California. The money goes into an economic development fund to start small businesses in the towns the immigrants come from.

Villaraigosa also said that Mexican Foreign Minister Rosario Green had expressed interest in launching a program to allow Mexicans to work temporarily in jobs in the United States. But, headded, the minister did not discuss specifics of such a plan, which would require U.S. federal approval.

California growers have said they face an acute labor shortage and have become increasingly dependent on undocumented immigrants.

Agricultural groups such as the Nisei Farmers League in Fresno are lobbying hard for an expanded guest worker program, but resistance from farm worker advocates--who argue that the shortage would disappear if farmers raised wages and improved housing--has been strong. Last year, the U.S. Senate
approved a major expansion of the existing guest worker program, which is rarely used in the West because farmers say it is unwieldy, but the legislation failed in the House.

In his meeting with Zedillo, Villaraigosa also urged that this country's government-controlled airlines, Mexicana and Aeromexico, award a $6.5-billion contract for new planes to Seattle-based Boeing Co., which manufactures aircraft in Long Beach.

Villaraigosa and Mexican officials said the airlines would examine competitive bids. But the California speaker said Zedillo reacted positively to his support for Boeing.

The Mexican president responded with "a big smile," Villaraigosa said. "He said Mexico was very interested in this proposal."
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Times staff writer Nancy Cleeland in Los Angeles contributed to this report.



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119+ K...open part 2 if needed

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