Ever wonder why Mexicans aren't welcome in the U.S.?

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Thank you. I just barfed my dinner.

I live in Houston. I can tell you first hand that the illegal (whatever that means these days) alien problem is massive in my area. The schools here are 60% non-English speaking and riddled with dicipline problems. Anyone speakes to the Hispanics about poor behavior is met with the typical "I'll get my attorney" BS.

I am just sick of it. A very dear friend of mine who is a neighbor believes that within the next 20 years there will be a "race war".

In my area, I can see first hand why...

CMOS

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I didn't read the article yet, but let me say this...

The Democrats have no desire to stop these illegal aliens from coming into the country. Many illegals in this country will get forged papers and even vote. When they do vote, they most always vote Democratic. One day, there will be a big push for amesty for all of these millions of potential Deomocratic voters. Then where will we be?

btw: Doesn't the Libertarian party support unlimted imigration by these people?

nralife
 
most mexicans are pretty nice folks. i find them more polite than many white folks. most are hard workers, even the illegals. too many vote for democrats. just my dos centavos.
 
I assume the libertarian party advocates an open border. In a libertarian country what would be the harm in free access? Come here and make your way. Sounds good to me. The socialist magnate of come and get it would not exist. The theives who steal from the productive and redistribute wealth unearned would dissappear. Not likely though.
My ancestors (european side) came here legally. The rest of us were already here (Indian) but even they rented the continent.
 
Yes, the Mexicans that I know are a likeable hard working bunch too.

I may need to update my position a bit. If these Mexicans become naturalized citizens, they will know more about the Constitution and this country's Founding Fathers than most anyone that has gone through the liberal controlled education system. :)

I still don't think open borders, even without welfare handouts is a good idea.

Joe



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The Mexicans I know (and I know lots, some even work for me) are admirable, hardworking, fun and necessary so you can have inexpensive food up there in Minnesota. Don't see many white folk working farm labor, don't see many white folk successfully raising a family and getting ahead on those wages like Mexicans do. I see a lot of white folk sponging off of my taxes though.

The ones who can vote are Americans, so take it up with the Democrats who pander. Ask George W...the Hispanics helped him get elected...its their children who turn out like other American kids you have the issues with.


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I live in Texas and have worked with illegals in the past. Vast majority are great folks, hard working, very friendly, good family values (of course, this was mainly in the country and outer suburbs - you get into the inner city and I think you have a different mindset).

I am, however, against an open border policy. The problem in my opinion has nothing to do with race per se, but rather with tha fact that Mexicans, like other folks from foreign lands, come to our country thinking or expecting our form of government to be similar to their own. Example: corruption is rampant in the Mexican form of govt., both at the local and federal level. The Mexican people expect it and accept it. They don't understand the concept of insoluble individual rights coupled with a strong moral foundation from our govt. They certainly don't fathom the idea of limited govt., and the idea of holding your leaders strictly accountable. We already have a big enough problem with our own home-grown citizens understanding this, black and white, hispanic, asian, whatever. You bring a large group of people here who neither know nor care about the heritage of this country and you have big problems. Maybe not with the average American sheeple, but with folks who understand and cherish what this country means at its very core and who know for a fact that America is not the "land of opportunity" (read path to financial success), but rather it is the "land of FREEDOM". Please understand that I think it is very possible that someone who has never stepped foot in this country can share in our heritage by proxy, or a better term might be by adoption, but when you have system in place that only makes a token effort to make immigrants learn enough about our history to pass some easy test (and often assisting them by cheating), it is rare indeed to find aomeone who actually takes it to heart.

BTW, I think this is as much true for white Europeans with their socialist govts. as it is for our Spansih-speaking neighbors to the south. Our ideas of 2nd Amendment rights are as alien to the English and Germans as they are to the Mexicans. We are truly unique in our forefathers conviction that govt. is an inherent evil in our society. IMO, this is precisely why we will someday soon face some type of armed revolt in the U.S.
 
the link is a speech by Buchannan ...
here is a snip
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>As for the millions of illegals who have already entered this country, they have caused a demographic sea change. California now has 34 million people and, if
the border is not secured, will have 50 million by 2010. One- third of California's population is now Latino.

Such sudden changes in the ethnic character of a society can mean everything. When Americans in Texas vastly out-numbered Mexicans, they rebelled, and
Mexico lost Texas. In 1893, U.S. sugar planters in Hawaii rose up and deposed the Queen. Five years later, we annexed Hawaii. Mass immigration, then
insurrection, independence, and annexation: This is how Europe's American empires were expropriated, and America grew. We may choose to forget this
history, but Mexico remembers. And while we shudder at the idea it could happen here, Mexican irredentism is alive and well.

In 1998, the Mexican consul general in California exclaimed: "[E]ven though I am saying this part serious, part joking, I think we are practicing La Reconquista
in California." In 1997, President Zedillo said: "I have proudly proclaimed that the Mexican nation extends beyond the territory enclosed by its borders,
and...Mexican migrants are...a very important part of it."Anti-Americanism is taking root in the barrios. In February 1998 the U.S. soccer team played Mexico
in Los Angeles' Coliseum. The crowd booed our national anthem. Fans who applauded the U.S. team were pelted with fruit and cups of beer; the U.S. players
were showered with debris and spat upon as they left the field - in their own country.

The Latino student organization MechA openly demands return of the Southwest to Mexico. Charles Truxillo, a professor of Chicano studies at the University of
New Mexico, says the creation of a new "Aztlan," with its capital in Los Angeles is inevitable, and Mexicans should seek it by any means necessary. Ricky Sierra
of
One Stop Immigration, declares: "We're recolonizing America so they're afraid of us. It's time to take back what is ours."One demonstration leader in
Westwood was heard to say, "We are here...to show white Protestant Los Angeles that we're the majority...and we claim this land as ours. It's always been
ours and we're still here if anybody is going to be deported it's going to be you." Now, in 1845, Californians did not consider themselves Mexicans, but
Spaniards. So this is myth. But in such matters myth trumps truth.

Proposition 187, passed by a 3-2 margin in 1994, was the last serious effort by Californians to confront a crisis state and federal governments refuse to grapple
with. It would have denied social benefits and free schooling to illegal aliens. It may have been too harsh; but, after Californians voted it into law, pro-illegal
groups tied it up in court, and Governor Gray Davis refused to pursue it to the Supreme Court. Prop 187, mocks California legislator Art Torres, was "the last
gasp of white America."

Why did Californians support it? One reason is that the L.A. school system is in crisis. At a cost of $10,500 per student, more than half the students cannot do
grade-level work. Children are promoted automatically, whether failing or not. The new L.A. also has a thriving gang culture, where Hispanic gangs account for
far more killings than those by any other group.[/quote]
 
Let's not overlook this one important line in Buchanan's speech:

"Mexico's people are good people, who have been robbed repeatedly of the just rewards of their labor."

I have lived in SoCal for 20 years, and have traveled extensively in Mexico. I like the Mexican people (NOT including 2nd/3rd generation Mex-Amer gang bangers) very much as a rule, and feel badly that most of them are disenfranchised by a corrupt Mexican government and elite, where only the rich get richer, while being essentially immune from prosecution.

Just as people are willing to brave shark infested waters in small boats to try to reach the US from Cuba, Mexicans will come here to try to better their lives. There are many rural villages in Mexico that are supported almost entirely with wages sent home by family working in the US. And speaking only for SoCal, the economy here would probably some to a grinding halt without recent Mexican immigrants, legal and illegal, to do the work others don't want to to. This is the history of immigration to the US.

I think it is a very small minority responsible for this ill will and bad behaviour. Should the borders be closed? I need to learn more about this issue.

LAST but not least: the FOOD is really good! Have you ever had authentic chicken molé, or freshly made chile relleno? hoo boy!

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I live down here in Texas, and I can tell you that out here in Ranching country, the Mexicans I know both legal and illegal are hardworking, family oriented, and honest. A mexican doesn't steal, and a Mexican doesn't lie. It takes a few generations to teach them that. Mexicans are firearms enthusiasts as a general rule, and each weekend at the park, you see the place filled with mexicans having a BBQ, family get-togethers, and doing the things you used to see white people doing. I respect their values and wish more whites would try to be a community like theirs.
I occasionally volunteer at the town food pantry helping the poor. We see the same white and black folks month after month. We see the mexicans come in and feel genuinely ashamed to have to get help from outside the family. When a mexican loses his job, the whole family pulls together, and they find him another. A mexican doesn't turn down work no matter how menial or degrading. When a mexican gets on govt. assistance, they don't stay on it long. You can't say this for most of the whites and blacks on welfare. They (mexicans) have a lot of pride, and I can respect that.
On the down side, it is so frustrating to see kids who are intelligent and have a lot of character throw away their lives taking menial labor jobs, and dropping out of school to work the fields. They generally don't value education, and it is a shame. I was talking to a girl the other day, and she was extremely intelligent. She appeared to be around eighteen, and was 3 months pregnant with the father gone. This is so common. I have never had a bad experience dealing with Mexicans and if I ever find myself in the bad part of town, I hope it is the Mexican part.
As for open borders, I agree that we should allow them in to do the work they do. They don't take jobs from white folks, they do jobs that nobody else would do. I say make an agreement that they will:
1. Recieve all their vaccinations prior to entry into the country and present a certificate of health upon entry.
2. Refuse all government handouts for the life of the imigrant. This would be waived upon service in the Armed forces.
3. Register for the draft.
4. Agree to become a citizen within 5 years of entry. Citizenship tests would be a bit more difficult than they are now.
If all these requirements are met, then let em in. Maybe we could learn somthing from them.
 
I figure if they come across legally, that's fine, but I don't owe them an education, medical care, or anything else - I have never asked for charity down there, nor do I suspect it would be granted anyway. If they want to work, and I have also known a great many, let them; I'm in Dallas and see it all the time.

As far as the ILLEGALS are concerned, they are, by definition, breaking the law. We need to send them home and tell them not to come back. If they get caught the second time, we should send them to Cuba.
 
May I respectfully beg to differ with some of the above views?

My view - in and out of the green suit I have toured Mexico, Costa Rica, Guatemala, El Salvador, Honduras, Panama and Ecuador. Honor and respect are important to me, and these cultures place great emphasis on those values, just as Mediterranean cultures do.

Socialism corrupts native and immigrant alike. The best way to dissuade those who want to freeload here is to abandon socialism. When we return to the principles of the Founding the 'shining city' will shine brighter than ever before.

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Yep!

Seems to me that if we could obliterate both the welfare state and every gun control law since '34 (so long, BATF) we wouldn't need closed borders. Then the only folks we would attract would be hard workers who don't want to get shot, and, heck, we'd probably see a mass migration OUT of the country for more greener, socialist, pastures. It wouldn't be worth it to stay, since those who tried attacking honest citizens to plunder their hard-earned wealth would have their clocks cleaned, permanently, on the spot.

While we're at it, the income tax can go, and we could decriminalize (but not legalize) drugs (so long, DEA)so can the....oh, golly, but that's crazy talk!
 
I agree that the 2nd/3rd gens are the ones that are pretty much worthless. The interesting thing about that is watching how FAST Socialist Amerika corrupts families that aren't "used to" what happens here.

Sorta like the movie Dark City, which was a vast experiment to understand the human soul. Today, our socialist country is sort of a vast experiment to see how quickly a culture of hard work and honest, moral living can be twisted into something evil.

It works, too....
 
Yes, the Socialist System ruins the 2nd and 3rd generations. Just like it ruins everyone else.
Welfare is a foul pox on this country, having the same destructive effects that it had in Rome. It corrodes the Empire from the inside out. It keeps the unwashed and uniformed tied to the oligarchs in power. They feed them, clothe them, essentialy buy their vote.
A vote for the US Democratic Party is a vote for the fall of Empire.
 
A perspective from a First Generation German.

My dad's generation wanted to become Americans BAD. They humped night school and made every effort to learn the language. My dad wouldn't teach me German because "You're in America now". Same with my Italian friends.

Thanks to the politicians, what I see today are immigrants who don't want to become Americans, just live like them.

Abuses are rampant. Anedoctal tales out of San Diego tell of ready-to-deliver women coming up and staying in a motel until delivery time, then calling 911. The kid is born here, ergo, he's a citizen.

I left Kalif in 1988 and at that time they were trying to pass a law that the kids could graduate high school without learning English. Even my Hispanic friends were upset over this.

One militant I spoke to bragged that "We're taking back what YOU stole from us!". I asked him who stole the land from the indians - no answer.

About a year ago I saw a citizenship swearing-in ceremony IN SPANISH, and the dip$h!t agent was beaming about the "new citizens".

Those that come here and want to become citizens AND Americans are fine with me. When they want to "glorify their ethnicity" and turn us into another Yugoslavia, I draw the line.



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This may go over like a turd in a punch bowl, but here it is...

I'm am still undecided about this, but maybe immigrants not knowing how to speak English is a good thing? I don't usually buy into conspiracy theories, but lets suppose that there really is a NWO takeover going on around the world and here in America. Wouldn't it be harder for any kind of a takeover to work, if the peoples that they wished to subjugate all spoke different languages and had different ways of looking at the world, and perhaps even disliked each other?

I may be way out in left field and the United States may be too small of a geographical area for it to matter, but I don't think so. Looking at the world as a whole, I think it is a darn good thing that there is so many different languages and religions. I think that it is good that that many people simply don't get along. A NWO takeover will never be able to work as long as we have Moslems hating Jews, Catholics and Protestants not getting along, and so forth. Do you see what I mean?

Another thing about non English speaking immigrants, they can't be so easily influenced by the Dan Rather's of the world. LOL

What do you guys think? Did God know what He was doing at the Tower of Babel or what? :)

nralifer

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That's a very interesting premise, Joe.

I'll be thinking about that one for a while.

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