End of America as You Know It

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BAB: From the viewpoint of the US Gummint, no white can ever be a "minority".

Anecdote: A guy named Cisneros at one time was director of the Port of Brownsville, Texas. He applied for some federal money for harbor improvements. He was instructed to provide the names of three local minority contractors to submit bids. He submitted "Smith, Brown, and Jones". (I don't recall the actual Anglo names.) These were the only Anglo choices out of some twenty or more; the rest were Latin surnames. Need I say his suggestions were denied? But, does anybody doubt that Anglos are physically in the minority in Brownsville, Texas?

Back to the main thread: I welcome anybody who comes here with the intent to be self-sufficient and who is willing to assimilate into our culture. Who is willing to subscribe to our values, to learn English as the major language of success in this country. And who comes here in accordance with law, not needing any "amnesty".

Art
 
California is a cesspool.

Immigration only exists to make the super-rich even richer. It drives down wages and increases the cost of living (rent, etc.) due to the increased competition for jobs and apartments, etc. They get you coming and going. This will dramatically lower the quality of life for the average person, but the reverse is true for the super-rich. Talk to an Indian or South-American sometime. A upper-mid level manager in many of these countries can afford a mansion and one or more live in servants.

The leaders of this country (the mouthpieces of the super-rich) say that immigration increases technological development, etc. BS. Technological development comes from investment in productivity such as education, research in computers and computer aided manufacturing, etc. It does not come from increasing the supply of workers. India and China have tons of cheap workers. Is this a blessing for them? A brutal example of this is the black death in Europe. This led to a massive increase in technological development and wages in Europe due to the short supply of labor. Immigration is at best a "cheap fix" for the economy. What happens when all of those cheap Hispanic laborers have three kids in school? How cheap are they then? They are still cheap for their EMPLOYER, but NOT cheap for the taxpayer.

High tech has nothing to do with immigration. I have a PhD in EE from a top 3 school and have been working in Silicon Valley for three years. Trust me, those Asians are nothing special IQ wise. The companies treat them like slave labor, and they will tell you this. I could go on about this for hours. The solution is to invest more in REAL education reforms.


The only reason there are so many asians in our grad schools is because we let the whole world in, and there are ALOT more asians in the entire world than there are americans at the upper end of the IQ scale. The US has less than 5% of the world population, but our students are competing with the entire world for slots. I had perfect grades at the University of Michigan for 10 years running and extremely high test scores. Do you think any Asian university would have given me a research position for my PhD? Hell no. What are the odds of China or India accepting me as an immigrant? No way.
 
I for one can hardly wait to be an "official" minority. Then I can DEMAND to be called "European-American", and I will DEMAND an affirmative-action job with the goobermint. What's more, I'll SUE if I don't get one. I suspect that many angry whites will do the same. Payback's a bitch, ain't it folks?

And, at least in the tundra of the northern plains, we don't get that many "wets" up here.

Illegal immigrants should be denied access to publicly funded agencies and assistance, and should be immediately shipped back (steerage on a slow boat) to their country of origin. What's more, their offspring should NOT be granted automatic U.S. citizenship. (Does not include legitimate political refugees).

YMMV
 
DorGunR - believe me, I'm from SloCal. I'd never admit THAT if it weren't true.

I live in a predominantly hispanic town but haven't witnessed any of the negative things that some folks associate with that.

I don't think the answer is to keep people out. If welfare is a problem, how about an easy solution? Anyone can immigrate and become a citizen automatically simply by signing a waiver that they will never ever take a single penny in government handouts? That would simplify things.

Plus, we need a positive immigration flow to prop up the Socialist Insecurity Ponzi Scheme for a few more years.

TearsOfRage - English is a very difficult language to learn, and it's a difficult thing to learn a language as an adult. A goodly number of US-born kids who go to government schools never come close to mastering it!
 
I teach First Aid and CPR in San Antonio so I get to work with a true
cross-section of society.

I find people who have been here for five or more generations who can not
(or *will* not) understand the simple English phrase, “Do you work here?” I
also find people who came to America unable to speak a word of English.
Within a couple years their kids beat our kids at spelling bees.

English is difficult to master but it’s fairly easy learn enough to conduct a
normal life. Too many immigrants simply don’t try. Then they tell me I must
learn a foreign language out of respect for them?? (Insert vulgarities
indicating disbelief, frustration, anger, and refusal!)
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Depriving immigrants of social welfare is not the answer. (That would be
terribly unfair in most cases.) However, there should be some limit to
welfare!

Regardless of birthplace or individual characteristics, being on welfare
generation after generation is a sign of trouble. People who are able to work,
should have to work. There are parks, streets, and public buildings to be
cleaned, grass to be mowed, firehouses to be painted, etc. etc.

Have the chronically unemployed work mornings and seek employment in the
afternoons - or work two days and seek work three days - whatever! Help
the handicapped find jobs they can perform. Then (for a change) we might
be able to help those who truly CAN not work.

Quit paying women to have child after child at government (ie the taxpayer’s)
expense. Pay for the first one, or two, or even three; but paying a woman to
have six children before age 23 is stupid! (BTW, the only two children this
American-born Anglo woman had by the same father were her twins!!)
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Notice that my gripe is not with immigrants who want to abide by our
Constitution. My gripe is with “... nanny-state lovers, both immigrant and
home-grown ...” who are destroying what our Founding Fathers established.

The “End of America as we know it” will come about because of:
- those who have learned they can get what they want from the government
rather than by the labor of which they are capable;
- those elitists who want to run our lives, and
- those of us who know better but do nothing about it because of our
cowardice or apathy.

(Yes, I know this is only a partial list.)

-- Forest Grump
 
I have no particular reason to learn any foreign language now. If I was moving - or even working temporarily - in another country I bet I could learn enough to get by.

WANNA BET ?

You pay me x dollars if I learn x language well enough to pass a grade school test.

Oh, but you have to provide 30 channels of cable TV in that language, with closed captioning. I'll pay for the cable and the TV that supports closed captioning.
Also there should be public libraries with children's books.

Yes, I know migrant workers don't get cable.
But anyone who has a fixed home and a job or welfare could get cable if they really wanted to. Most people spend $1 a day on junk food or alcohol or cigarettes. And they can get a used TV or get one from a rent-to-own place.

Aren't there free english classes available, at least in cities with large immigrant populations?

BTW, does anyone remember the book, "Hyman Kaplan" ?



[This message has been edited by TearsOfRage (edited September 01, 2000).]
 
Since a driver's license has become a de facto internal passport, it's about the same as citizenship. And then we have the Motor Voter program. :(


STORY

California to Give Illegal Aliens Drivers Licenses & Resident Tuition Rates?

California's democrat party controlled legislature sent our democrat governor two bills in the last couple of days.

A bill to give California drivers licenses to illegal aliens is on Governor Gray Davis' desk. -- The bill is AB 1463.

A bill to allow illegal aliens to pay resident tuition at California colleges, rather than the higher nonresident tuition is on Governor Gray Davis' desk. -- The bill is AB 1197.

You can get the PDF version at: http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/bilinfo.html
 
Okay, this is some what off topic but an amusing antidote about the language issue just the same.
A few weeks ago ArmySon called Terri and I on the phone. We each got on an extension and began our conversation. After several minutes Son asked if everyone here (southwest Missouri) had such a heavy accent. Son, who speaks five languages (correct me if I'm wrong on the number Son) and whose native language is not English, on the other hand, speaks English with no accent what so ever. Not the "proper, precisly" annunciated English spoken by most who take the language up as something other that their native tongue. But rather English as though it were his first language. I assured him that we (Terri and I) did not have an accent. :D
Then at the End of Summer Meet, I could not understand Glamdring (damn, yankee ;)) without having Spectre translate for me. Mean while Mrs. Grayfox (TFL's Grayfoxes wife) decided is was time to teach Son how to speak southern. Son picked up southern in very short order and can now speak like a native Alabamian if needed.
The point of all this being, yes, I to wish that people coming here would learn to speak the language. But I, a native born American cannot understand a lot you yankees nor you me. We've been serparated by a common language ever since the first yankee decided to come down to enjoy the good life we have here in the south.
Personally I speak three languages. Missouri hillbilly, southern and a smattering of Texan. :D

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Gunslinger

I was promised a Shortycicle and I want a Shortycicle!
 
What a crock of hatred again.

And Dennis - it will happen in your lifetime.
The United States is changing its ethnic proportions, flipping out some folks, just as Northern Europeans raved about Jews and Southern European immigrants.

And you can't do a damned thing about it.

This list is starting to stray off the RKBA with the constant drum beat of
homophobia, racism and the like.

No wonder the RKBA is losing ground. If this is the kind of people associated with it.
Luckily most aren't.

By the way, I live next to a Hispanic, across the street from an Asian, two doors over an African American. It is the white guy next to me that keeps his yard like a big pen.

That's about the level of logic from you folk.

Pathetic.
 
EnochGale,
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"This list is starting to stray off the RKBA with the constant drum beat of homophobia, racism and the like."

I'm white and my wife is Korean.

Please refer to Col. Copper's rules
RULE IV: BE SURE OF YOUR TARGET

Think twice....post once.
Have a nice day....Sir.
 
EnochGale - I'm compelled to jump in here in defense of Dennis, although I am sure he will respond and is quite able to defend himself. I do so because I share many of his opinions and your insults to him and others on this board are against me as well. I do share your opinion that those who would judge or hate others based solely on color, religion, or sexual proclivities are ignorant and not worth a pot of piss.

However, nothing in what Dennis posted is racist, and he more than once clearly qualified his position on the welfare state. I also share his disgust with the freeloading trash (all shapes and colors) that are slopping at the trough filled by our tax dollars. To me there is nothing more pathetic than a man who refuses do do an honset days work and expects to be compensated nonetheless. Equally as reprehensible is a woman who would bear a child only to increase her monthly welfare stipend.

These are not the "Jews and Southern European imigrants" to whom you referred and it is an injustice to those fine peoples to associate them with the illegal immigrants that are poisoning our society.

These critters of which I speak are not what made this country strong with our diversity and kindered spirit. All they do is tear at the moral and economic fibers of what we worked so hard to achieve and give nothing in return.

Noban
 
I have no problem with LEGAL immigration at all. I do have a problem with the illegals that spill over the border. Ya so some of them take crappy jobs, but has anyone looked at the negatives? 1/4 of the jail population in kalifornia is comprised of illegal aliens. The vast majority illegal aliens that do come here are only interested in the social programs and other .gov financial benefits. Do you really think they want to become responsible consitution and bill of rights believing citizens? Take a look at AB1463 that is sitting on kalifornia gov. gray davis' desk waiting to be signed. It will allow illegals to get driver's licenses. Doesn't sound too bad by itself, until you realize that we have a "motor voter" law that allows the dmv to register an applicant to vote at the same time a license is issued. Wanna guess who these people will be voting for?

Hell, whites losing the majority isn't the problem, true flag waiving americans of any race becoming the minority is!
 
Remember, it has been said by a wise man:

"How a minority, gaining majority and ceasing authority...hates a minority."

And the French saying, "what goes around comes around"

The future should be interesting.
 
LOL Gunslinger

So what if a legal immigrant comes to the US and works in a tech job. There are so many people PO'd about immigrants with good paying jobs. If people have a problem with that, why don't they educate themselves so they qualify for the position.

Many of today's brightest engineers, scholars, scientists, etc are immigrants. Would you rather they give their intellectual gifts to a different country? Or would you rather the United States benefiting from them?

Yes there are some individuals who make all immigrants look bad. They are lazy, unpatriotic, and mooch off the government. Do they represent all immigrants? No.

If you want a high paying job, then earn it. Nothing was ever given to me. Try being 5 years old in school and not speaking the native language. Imagine taking your kids to Croatia and putting them in school. Imagine how difficult it would be for them. English is not my 1st language. Like Gunslinger stated, I speak it fluently with no accent. At the same time, I still speak my native language and some others.

If you want something, WORK FOR IT.
 
My family has been in the U.S. for a couple hundred years. I don't think I'm any better than a recent immigrant. I simply feel that those who come to this country need to understand how it is different from any other on earth, and that kind of information is not being given to them. It seems that the current administration admits foreigners to build a voter base in exchange for a handout. My beef is with the Fed's, not those who have the good sense to want to live in America.

There are some really great people coming up here from Mexico. They want to succeed, and they are friendly, good people.

Who am I to make character judgements based on a person's ancestry? I'm a descendant of John Wilkes Booth and of the Dalton Gang, so I wouldn't have a soapbox to stand on.



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Oregon residents please support the Oregon Firearms Federation, our only "No compromise" gun lobby. http://www.oregonfirearms.org
 
I keep reading over and over "i don't have any problem with "legal immigrants". Well let me tell you my story. Everyone has heard about the "nursing shortage". I live in a town with 3 large hospitals and a local college with a good nursing program. The program was finally getting a lot of students and was large enough to support the students to alleviate the nursing crisis. Some of the hospitals even sponsered employees to go to school for nursing or other medical fields with shortages. Then they went and hired "agency nurses" a surprising number from Europe. Their education is not the same as ours and some of the other permanent personal on the floors would talk about the problems they had with these nurses, including rudeness, apparently it is accepted in England and Ireland to be rude to your patients. I work in the lab and had to deal with the attitude many times. Pretty soon the graduates couldn't get jobs here. Then people quit going into nursing. They also started laying off nurses and replacing them with agency nurses. Yet articles in the paper still talk about the "nursing crisis", and graduates still have a hard time getting jobs!!??? Well why did they replace permanant nurses with nurses from other countries with work visas??? I am a medical technologist and my neighbor is a nurse, she's confirmed the layoffs in her hosptial (we both work in different ones, although I've worked in all of them one time or another) We also have a lot of Canadians working in the lab.
Here's the good part - when the topic of guns comes up they are all unamously in favor of gun control!!! They complain about our country and wonder why we don't do things like in their country. It seems to me that the immigration issue is only an issue to non-caucasion races. Yet the Europeans come here with attitudes and take good paying jobs away from citizens and nobody bats an eye. And it's true what Dennis said, they don't seem to appreciate the constitution or laws in our country!
I know what I say sounds harsh and it seems "bigoted" but many of these people are still my friends and we talk a lot. If I posted their views on what a government should be like you would get sick to the stomach! I know there is no sense in arguing with them, they seem to know it all. I think they come here for reasons other than policical freedom. I know my experience does not fit everyone but so far I haven't met a Canadian, Irishman, Englishman, or Scottish person that does not believe in total gun control.
Sorry this is so long, I hate long posts.
 
It seems to be well established by the group that 1. we all come from immigrants (even us Injuns) 2. Immigration is good as long as the immigrants are good LEGAL immigrants. Half of my ancestors came here legally. The rest were here before law in its written form existed on this portion of the continent ( yes we had an alphabet and the language concept was real ). We started out elsewhere. We are ALL immigrants. Nobody is native! What a concept. True equality by admission!
gitamarc:
I enjoyed your post. You seem like a quality health care professional. Do you think that the 'attitude' of the workers from [don't get mad] socialist countries is a result of their indoctrination and frustration with a doomed infrastructure. Myself, the worst thing about healthcare in my country is the added cost of carrying via my tax money a system that has no interest in my bursitis. I want to divorce it, actually.
 
(smile) Enoch,

I believe I differentiated between people who support our Constitution and those
who wish to create a Socialist government here; therefore, unless you can validate
“... the constant drum beat of homophobia, racism and the like ...” in my posts or
attitude, I refute your allegations.

The race, religion, or ethnicity of Americans is of little concern to me - it is their
politics which concerns me the most. As far as America falling to the Socialists, I
repeat, “Not in my lifetime.” If the Socialists move slowly, it will happen after I die. If they move quickly, well, read a little more Patrick Henry.

I realize the influx of folks who are “different” is a problem for some - but I was the
foreigner for eleven years (in five different locations) in Germany and a couple
other countries. I got along. I have friends in Europe. I’ve also made some cyber
friends (okay, “acquaintances”) in Germany, Russia, Ukraine, and Japan. (Oh,
yeah, and some in CA, MO, NY, IL, GA, FL, etc. as well as Texas! :) )

My “crock of hatred” addresses no race, ethnicity, gender, socio-political position, financial status, or (as Archie Bunker might say) “sexual persuasion”. :) Most of my bile is for those who, without due cause or Constitutional authority, support elitist paternalism and attempt to force their will upon “the masses” of which we are a part. These are the “nanny-state lovers, both immigrant and home-grown.” Another target for my venom is those who refuse to oppose such tyranny.

So I disagree with your allegations but I neither hate you nor fear you. Truthfully,
so long as we’re both careful and courteous, I’d much rather go shooting with you
than trade barbs with you here. We could enjoy some range time without agreeing
on all of life’s many subjects.

My personal mission is to help promote the restoration of Constitutional Law in the
United States. For others with a similar goal I quote, “If we believe in our mission,
we can work together, shoulder to shoulder, without seeing eye to eye.”


[This message has been edited by Dennis (edited September 02, 2000).]
 
Nuts! In part because I am not succinct, this thread is now at 117K.

If you wish to continue, please start End of America, Part 2!

Closed for length.
 
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