Elian drugged by Cuban pediatrician to "appear" happy to be with father

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by c-rock:
On Thursday U.S. Customs officials at Washington's Dulles International Airport confiscated several medications carried by Elian Gonzalez's Cuban pediatrician, who was en route to the 6-year-old's temporary residence at Maryland's Wye River Plantation.

Among the seized pharmaceuticals were two powerful tranquilizers that could be used to make Elian appear happier in the wake of the reunion with his father, Juan Miguel.

A series of photos released by Greg Craig, the one-time Clinton impeachment attorney who now represents Mr. Gonzalez, have been offered as evidence that Elian has overcome the trauma of his gunpoint abduction by federal agents a week ago. Clinton administration representatives say the photos prove the boy is overjoyed to have finally been returned to his father after a five-month stay with his Miami family.

But evidence that Cuban doctors may have doped the Cuban raft boy could severely undermine claims that the images of a smiling Elian hugging his father are genuine.

In an account completely ignored by the national press, The Miami Herald reported on Friday that customs agents searched the bags of Elian's Cuban pediatrician, Dr. Caridad Ponce de Leon, and collected several drugs:

"The confiscated medicines were listed as amikacin sulfate, used for treatment of bacterial and staph infections; aminophyllin, a bronchodilator for treatment of asthma, bronchitis and emphysema; cefazoline, for treatment of respiratory, urinary, skin and other infections; meprobamate, better known by the trade name Miltown, for treatment of anxiety; and phenobarbital, a barbiturate used as a sedative."

At the news of the seizure Granma, Cuba's Communist Party newspaper, complained, "it appears that Customs officials know what kinds of medicine Elian, his cousin and the rest of the children and adults may need."

Dr. Ponce de Leon was part of a ten-person Cuban delegation, including four children, who were authorized to visit the Cuban raft boy by the Clinton administration last week. According to Friday's Washington Times, "The reason for the visits was described as delivering supplies."

It's impossible to know if there have been other attempts to smuggle sedatives to Elian or whether those attempts have been successful, since the White House has kept the boy isolated from independent doctors. Media access has been all but eliminated by attorney Craig, who has close ties to Fidel Castro.

According to The PDR Family Guide to Prescription Drugs, Miltown is a habit-forming drug that should not be given to children under 6 years of age. Elian is 6 years, 5 months old.

"Miltown is a tranquilizer used in the treatment of anxiety disorders and for short-term relief of the symptoms of anxiety," advises the PDR report. "Miltown can be habit forming. You can develop tolerance and dependence and you may experience withdrawal symptoms if you stop using this drug abruptly."

Miltown should be prescribed only in cases of extraordinary stress and upset, warns the PDR drug guide. "Anxiety or tension related to everyday stress usually does not require treatment with Miltown."

Common side effects can include allergic reactions, diarrhea, fever, headaches, drowsiness, a general loss of alertness and even dizziness. The PDR also warns that Miltown can induce "inappropriate excitement" and an "exaggerated feeling of well-being."

The Mayo Clinic USP Drug Guide mirrors the PDR's report, noting that Miltown may cause such side effects as "confusion," "unusual excitement" and a "false sense of well-being."

Miltown's usual dose for children 6 to 12 years of age is 200 to 600 miligrams per day divided into 2 or 3 doses.

Side effects for phenobarbitol, the other sedative confiscated from Elian's Cuban pediatrician, include drowsiness and other forms of cognitive and behavioral impairment. Abrupt withdrawal from phenobarbitol can induce epileptic seizures.
http://www.newsmax.com/showinsidecover.shtml?a=2000/4/30/124815
C-rock[/quote]
 
Oh for christ's sakes... This is getting a LITTLE on the STUPID side...

Next I expect to be seeing headlines saying...

"Elian not with father! Wax dummy replaces by kidnapped by aliens!"
 
OTOH, I'll bet having an H&K MP5 shoved in your face at 5am qualifies as 'extraordinary stress and upset', eh? ;)

Really, now. Do you folks put anything beyond the realm of possibility when you are thinking of Clinton and Castro? Far out, hopefully. Impossible ....?

For more on that front, check out the 'untimely' death of the Waco IR expert ...

Regards from AZ
 
Mike (and others), do you know anyone who fought in Vietnam or Korea? Hundreds of thousands of American soliders gave their arms, legs, and lives so that people in other countries would not have to live under COMMUNISM rule. Here we have a boy who escaped from Communism against great odds of surviving alone in the ocean and losing his mother in the process and our government is going to throw him back to Communism again.

This is sort of a slap in the face to all those who fought in Asia in two wars and over the course of three decades.
 
FUD,

If the US was so interested in "liberating" to good people of Cuba, Eisenhower/Kennedy should have invaded in 1959-61. There are a number of reasons why the Bay of Pigs invasion failed: 1) lack of solid US support, and 2) lack of support from the Cuban populace.

The "popular" uprising that Cuban ex-patriots expected never materialized, because at that time very few people in Cuba were interested in returning to the kind of government that they had known under Fugliencio Batista.

Even more fundamental than the issue of Communism, it is my firm belief that the United States has absolutely NO right to interfere with the custody of a child when the birth father has expressed the desire to have custody of his son, and there is absolutely NO compelling reason not to return custody to him.

With all due respect to you and those who served, this is a non-issue when compared to the issues of most-favored-nation trading status for China and normalization of relations with Vietnam.

And I know that I'm REALLY going to piss a lot of people off here, but the United States is about 95% responsible for creating the Communist that is Fidel Castro. When Castro seized control of Cuba, he wanted to maintain an alliance with the US, but on Cuba's terms, not the terms imposed by a US-backed dictator and large corporate entities like Dole, Domino, and Hershey's.

Had the US worked with Castro, instead of shutting Cuba off from the world, the situation today would be a lot different.
 
Mike,

You say that the boy should be with his father and I have two points to make with regard to that statement:<OL TYPE=1><LI> A true loving & caring father would be happy that his son made it to freedom and would not be trying to bring him back knowing that he was in a better place. My grandparents threw my parents out of eastern Europe when the timing was right so that they wouldn't have to live under Communism. It wasn't that they didn't want their children with them, but all loving parents want better for their children. The fact that this father doesn't, doesn't speak very highly of him.
<LI> The sword cuts both ways. There are dozens (maybe even hundreds) of Cuban parents legally living in this country whose children are still stuck in Cuba because the children are property of the state and do not belong to the parents. If we're so concerned with the rights of a father, of a parent, then let's make a deal: let the boy go back to Cuba with his father but let's get all of those kids from Cuba and reunited them with their parents over here.
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FUD. Re; "throwing him back to COMMUNISM". What do you expect, considering our illustrious Commie-in-Chief?

Mike Irwin. How do you really know his father really wants him? Castro ain't dumb.Maybe he saw an opportunity to embarrass the United States, and ordered his father to come get the boy.

Why doesn't the father ask for asylum here in the U.S.? We'd give it to him if he asked. Because his parents and other relatives are now being "entertained" by the castro regime at a "resort" area. Probably their version of the "Graybar Hotel". So the father is caught between a rock and a hard place, isn't he?
As to going back to a regime like Batista's, we could have done like we did with the Philipines after the Spanish-American war. Course that went to hell too with Marcos, but at least we tried. As long as a population is kept as uneducated as the Cubans and those in the Philipines, and in the abject poverty that was their way of life, then it is easy for dictators to take over. Hell. It's even happening here with that slug in the White House.
I guess he had the Senates cojones for breakfast the day they voted not to kick his ass out of office. Too bad.
Paul B.
 
Why wouldn't Elian appear happy? He is a 6 year old boy who is with his father is what can certainly be described as paradise for a Cuban- a palacial mansion, brand new western clothes, five star treatment, etc... He is a 6 year old kid, after all.
 
FUD, Paul, I respect you both but you're letting your emotions cloud the issue here.

That "a true loving and caring father would do things OUR way because we're right, therefore he's not a true and loving father" bit doesn't wash. A true loving and caring father does what HE thinks best for the child, not what some stranger from another country thinks. You don't think there are lots of Socialists in Sweden and Great Britain who think a "a true loving and caring father" wouldn't raise his kids the way you raise yours? The superiority of our republic is that we don't presume to force parents to raise their kids our way.
This idea that everyone who disagrees with you is a bad father will not stand up to scrutiny if you look at it closely.

As for assuming that the father would love Elian to stay but is under pressure, well, maybe. Maybe not. There's a lot of pressure on the Miami relatives too, and that doesn't mean that their stance is not genuine--even though there are mobs outside their house each night howling that Elian must stay, that doesn't mean they don't genuinely want him to stay for their own reasons, does it? Similarly, just because Castro would want the boy returned and pressure the father, that doesn't mean the father doesn't genuinely want the boy back.

Finally, I'm a little insulted that someone would pull out that old saw about whatever the unfashionable position of the week is being some kind of "insult to our boys in Vietnam, who fought for our freedom." That just isn't true. The two issues are unrelated.
 
To quote Lethal Weapon.....

"Thin, very f**cking thin!"

Quit being CNN2 and let the story die!

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After many years, Ponce DeLeon returns to Florida, having at last found that the fountain of youth exists in modern chemistry. The multicentinarian suffers from emphysemia with attendant asthmatic complications. Along with other asthematics, he uses miltown to reduce the panic often attendant to severe asthema attacks. Since he is several hundred years old, his sleep is often interupted by spasmotic muscle and/or joint pain. In order to obtain useful amounts of truly restful sleep, he takes phenobarbital thirty minutes prior to bed time.

Or: he was bringing drugs for our commander in heat.


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Nikita Khrushchev predicted confidently in a speech in Bucharest, Rumania on June 19, 1962 that: " The United States will eventually fly the Communist Red Flag...the American people will hoist it themselves."
 
Don,

Thank you for an incredibly well-worded post.

I post on a number of other boards, and have been seeing the same things repeated time and time again, ad nauseum.

Yet, when I try to raise the kinds of points that you raised, I have been called a communist, or worse. And usually it's by the exact same people who only minutes earlier were calling me a raging Nazi. God, how I love polemic political discussions... :D

I love this country fiercely, and could never imagine living anywhere else.

Yet I'm not so cheauvinistic that I truly believe that no matter what it is, if it's American, it must be the best.

Nor do I immediately assume that every last person from every other nation in the world wants to come here, and if they don't, their country's dictator must have a gun pointed at the family's heads...

Ask Randy Weaver or the Branch Davidians about the kind of nation that is the United States. They had everything they wanted, and the United States took it at the point of a gun, for very very flimsy reasons.

Then ask some of the Vietnamese boat people who came here with zip, and have built empires.

Somewhere in the middle is the real answer.

I am also fiercely proud of all the good that the United States has done in this world over our history.

Yet I'm also deeply disgusted at the blatant hypocrisy that issues from Washington, DC, both personal and political, and recognize it for how destructive it really is...
 
Fud,

Who are you, or your grandparents, or me, to decide what is best for Elian Gonzales OR his father?

Perhaps YOUR vision of what is good and right differs from Juan Gonzales vision for his family?

Well, guess what. That's Juan Gonzales' right. And to attempt to tell him what is right is NOT one of the principles upon which the United States was founded.

Want to really make a contribution toward getting those kids out of Cuba?

Write your Congressmen, and tell them to finally put an end to the useless, and destructive, sanctions that have been in place against Cuba for the past 40 years.
 
Mike Irwin:

Essentially, the U.S. is the only country in the world that does not trade with Cuba. The people in Cuba are not experiencing their poverty and in some years, famine, because of America's lack of support.

Castro's elite ruling party keeps all the goods for themselves.

We can't "save" them like we're "saving" everyone else in the world until Castro at least changes his policies. Pump in all the bucks you want; Fidel will wear 50 changes of those green fatigues per day instead of the current 10 :).
 
Let's leave Viet Nam out of this. I had an eleven man team over there. I got a Heart, onee other's crippled, one's not too straight psychologically, and the over nine have their names on a Wall in Washington. What's happening here has nothing to do with what happened there.

Let my bro's rest, man.

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As a side note, but of some import, it is noted that at the time of Elian's conception, the father was no longer married to the mother. "So what", we may say, however under similar circumstances U.S.courts, including the Supreme Court have ruled against the biological fathers of these children in terms of having ANY rights at all to the child. I'm not sure if this applies completely as the mother and father were at least married at one time but given precedent it is possible he might not win a custody case regardless of his fitness.
 
Mike, what I have a problem with is the way that the boy was taken by force from a family who was taking care of him for the past half year & who were actively using the court system via lawyers to try to keep the boy -- it wasn't like they locked themselves up and said that they were keeping the boy. You talk about the father's rights. What about the rights of Cuban mothers & fathers LEGALLY living in the US whose children are not allowed to leave Cuba? What about their rights?

Sword, I didn't fight in Viet Nam (I served in the Gulf instead) but I had a cousin who went there and came back less than a month later in a bodybag. Why was he there? Why were you and your men there? Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't it to stop the spread of Communism so that people in other countries could live in freedom? Having served in Asia, I would think that you would be more upset about this than most. You put your life on the line for others against Communism. Don't you have a problem having our government send someone back to something that you fought against?

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