electric triggers
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Maybe he's thinking of a FAL? I hear the British L1A1s can be made full auto by jamming a toothpick or a match in there.
FrankenMauser
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Those only claim to have an electronic trigger mechanism. They don't claim to be electronically fired (electronically-fired .22 LR might be impossible to produce, anyway). With only an electronic trigger, a mechanical disconnect can still be built into the mechanism.
ScottRiqui
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But it's still subject to the same shenanigans that you claimed would incur the BATFE's wrath.
If you have an electronic switch (the trigger) that causes the gun to fire, then what's to keep you from reprogramming the circuit so that one press of the trigger "button" generates multiple commands for the gun to fire?
I'll say it again - I believe that it would be no harder or easier to illegally convert an electronically-activated firearm to automatic fire compared to a conventional firearm, so the BATFE could handle them just the same - "Yes, we realize that illegal modifications are possible, and we realize that they're not particularly difficult. But understand that if we catch you, you're going to a federal pound-me-in-the-ass prison for a few years."
If you have an electronic switch (the trigger) that causes the gun to fire, then what's to keep you from reprogramming the circuit so that one press of the trigger "button" generates multiple commands for the gun to fire?
I'll say it again - I believe that it would be no harder or easier to illegally convert an electronically-activated firearm to automatic fire compared to a conventional firearm, so the BATFE could handle them just the same - "Yes, we realize that illegal modifications are possible, and we realize that they're not particularly difficult. But understand that if we catch you, you're going to a federal pound-me-in-the-ass prison for a few years."
NavyVet1959
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How about if you make it without any type of logic circuitry. Basically, you press the switch, power goes to the servo, the servo pin hits the firing pin, the firing pin hits the primer, the round fires? Or maybe the trigger switch activates an electric relay which then gives power to the servo. Of course, I'm thinking of it more for a single shot weapon and a way that hobbyists could build a firearm without having to make all the small parts that make up a trigger system.
The question becomes whether there are some small servos that would have enough force to ignite a primer with a batter pack as small as a cell phone battery.
Since the trigger could be so light, you could make it so that there were two switches, wired in series, so that you had to press both of them before it could fire. Using a rifle as an example, you could put one type of touch sensor on the handguard and the other switch where the trigger is traditionally located.
(Yeah, I know it's an old thread, but I find the idea interesting and worth reviving without starting a new thread)
The question becomes whether there are some small servos that would have enough force to ignite a primer with a batter pack as small as a cell phone battery.
Since the trigger could be so light, you could make it so that there were two switches, wired in series, so that you had to press both of them before it could fire. Using a rifle as an example, you could put one type of touch sensor on the handguard and the other switch where the trigger is traditionally located.
(Yeah, I know it's an old thread, but I find the idea interesting and worth reviving without starting a new thread)
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Well,
It may be a thing of the future... And with my knowledge, it would be possible now...
I don't see it happening as you are taking a simple mechanism and adding more variables to the mix. The main Achilles heal would be a reliable power source, while battery technology has made great strides, none will last long enough reliably. While you can power something with some certainty, it's not to the 100% needed for a personal firearm.
Two switches in series is still logic BTW, it's AND logic... I teach that as part of my motion control course... That being said, I wouldn't trust a firearm to anything electrical... Electronic controls have been my work for a long time.
I'm sure that no one wants a holster fire, LOL like those E/cig battery explosions
It may be a thing of the future... And with my knowledge, it would be possible now...
I don't see it happening as you are taking a simple mechanism and adding more variables to the mix. The main Achilles heal would be a reliable power source, while battery technology has made great strides, none will last long enough reliably. While you can power something with some certainty, it's not to the 100% needed for a personal firearm.
Two switches in series is still logic BTW, it's AND logic... I teach that as part of my motion control course... That being said, I wouldn't trust a firearm to anything electrical... Electronic controls have been my work for a long time.
I'm sure that no one wants a holster fire, LOL like those E/cig battery explosions
NavyVet1959
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Actually, I was seeing them as more hitting the niche benchrest market. Those guys aren't all that concerned about a little extra weight, so even if you had to have a *motorcycle* battery to power the trigger, it wouldn't be a big deal for them. 
I don't see there being any advantage for a self-defense type of handgun though.
From what I understand, the Remington electrically operated primer was a different primer compound that was sensitive to an electrical charge. This allowed it to fire when a current was run through it instead it needing an impact as with traditional primers. In my opinion, that's just a bit too radical of a design change. Using a servo / actuator to either directly hit a traditional primer or operate a trigger seems better to me since it would still allow the use of existing ammo.
From what I have read, you need around 6 - 20 joules of mechanical energy to cause a primer to fire. There are some small actuators that are within this range and they cost perhaps $15 or so. The web page that I saw on them said that they are used in various products, including laser printers. Hmmm... I wonder if I have any in any of the old computer equipment that I've been meaning to throw away...
I don't see there being any advantage for a self-defense type of handgun though.From what I understand, the Remington electrically operated primer was a different primer compound that was sensitive to an electrical charge. This allowed it to fire when a current was run through it instead it needing an impact as with traditional primers. In my opinion, that's just a bit too radical of a design change. Using a servo / actuator to either directly hit a traditional primer or operate a trigger seems better to me since it would still allow the use of existing ammo.
From what I have read, you need around 6 - 20 joules of mechanical energy to cause a primer to fire. There are some small actuators that are within this range and they cost perhaps $15 or so. The web page that I saw on them said that they are used in various products, including laser printers. Hmmm... I wonder if I have any in any of the old computer equipment that I've been meaning to throw away...
Glenn E. Meyer
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Necro thread and nothing new. If a new one comes out in prototype or production, start a new thread.
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