El Baradei: Iran only months away from a bomb

OK, I understand.

As mentioned by others, the nuclear "cat is out of the bag". It is only time before nuclear weapons will be used again. We can only hope to postpone these events. Along the way, we will make both correct and incorrect steps. Nobody can tell the future and nobody can rely fully upon covert intelligence. Pakistan can turn radical and we have a real problem. Iran, which contains one of the youngest and best educated population in that region, may change governments and not be a threat. At that point we could not make a case for preventing them from having nuclear weapons.
 
Iran w/a nukey

Mark my words on this one, Isreal will relieve Iran of thier nuke capabilities before its over with, just like they did before, i'd bet my powder on it. see ya
 
IRAN HAS NUKES!!!! IRAN HAS NUKES!!!!


*yawn*


Nuclear technology exists. Any attempt to stop its proliferation is simply delaying the inevitable. We have the capacity to turn Iran into glass, and they aren't suicidal. As for Israel, the whole Middle East has been yammering for it's eradication since it was created. They're still here.
 
The question about Iran having nukes is that we see them as actually using them and/or selling them.

It is a purely pragmatic question. Many in Europe, the USA and the Middle East would have no regrets against a significant nuclear attack on Israel. In fact, that would make life easier for all involved.

We would be rid of annoying Jews and free to buy all the oil we want from those pesky countries.

So if Israel gets nuked, they nuke some folks in Iran - what a shame. But they are not viable as a country anymore.

That's only a semi-tin-foil hat view. It does predict we will do nothing about the Iranian nukes.

Now, if they get one here on some terrorist binge, then GWB will go down as the worst president ever for not taking action. I'm betting they get them as Bush is paralyzed now by the problems in Iraq and the competency failure of his foreign policy and military advisers close to him.
 
Any attempt to stop its proliferation is simply delaying the inevitable.
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You really don't have a preference? I agree that it is inevitable, but I'm all for delaying the inevitable.
 
and they aren't suicidal.
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Really? Muslems are comitting suicide bombings every day, and the way this madman is talking, it seems more than likely he'll accept a nuclear exchange between Iran and Israel, just so he can kill as many jews as possible.

Let us make no mistake boys and girls, the vast majority of muslems would like nothing better than the extermination of Israel, and if a few million muslems have to die to acheve that, they can accept that.
 
Is it one religion that want Israel out, or is it one region where the region's leaders would rather the population have an external enemy rather than respond to their own subjugation? I'm not so sure that it is as simple as one religious group hating another.
 
I'm not so sure that it is as simple as one religious group hating another.
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Why not?

It's part of the islamic creed that once a place is muslem, it's forever muslem. Add to that the warlike nature of islam and the extreme concern over "dignity", then note that little Israel beat the combined islamic armies, not just beat but humiliated, not just once but time after time after time. The hatred and loathing of the islamic world over Israel and jews would make a nazi blush. Hating jews is part and parcel of islam:

Here's a quote from the hadith:
"The Hour [Resurrection] will not take place until the Muslims fight the Jews, and kill them. And the Jews will hide behind the rock and tree, and the rock and tree will say: oh Muslim, oh servant of Allah, this is a Jew behind me, come and kill him!"
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So yes, it is indeed that simple.
 
...the anti-semitics of our day...another kind of NAZI..they are so full of hate they can't see anything else...an example of how low the human being can take himself if he chooses to...the danger is the power such people might wield that holds so many in fear...
 
the power such people might wield that holds so many in fear...
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What "holds" me in fear are the people that see the threat and ignore it through some wishful construct, or moral equivalence. Sticking your head in the sand never works; you suffocate.
 
It was said that any attempt at stopping proliferation is delaying the inevitable.

First, since we have all of eternity in front of us, who can say what will happen in future.

However, we certainly stopped the Japanese and German nuclear programs in WWII. Also, countries have given up weapons. The Ex-soviet bloc entities that became countries have given them up.

Independently, South Africa dismantled its weapons. Sweden was on the edge and pulled back.

It can be done with will to do it. If Iran with its current regime deploys nuclear weapons - it will be a great failure from Bush, if nothing is done.
 
However, we certainly stopped the Japanese and German nuclear programs in WWII.
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True. But we were already at war with them for other reasons. We didn't enter WWII just to stop the Nazis from building WMDs.
Really? Muslems are comitting suicide bombings every day, and the way this madman is talking, it seems more than likely he'll accept a nuclear exchange between Iran and Israel, just so he can kill as many jews as possible.
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But it is not the politicians and statesmen who are doing the suicide bombing. They may be recruiting and organizing, but they don't seem so eager to go don a C4 vest themselves just yet, which would be little different for them personally than initiating nuclear war with the USA. Provided, that is, that whoever the current president is has the guts to actually push the button, even at the cost of re-election.
 
I sincerely doubt the USA would use nuclear weapons against Iran if they attacked Israel.

I predict a cruise missile into the tent and camel attack. The Israels probably have a plan to retailiate against Iran. We will say - that's that. However, with their major cities destroyed - Israel is pretty much out of business.

If a bomb were smuggled into the USA and detonated - we would first have to determine who did, yadda, yadda, yadda. I don't see any current politician having the guts to launch a MAD level attack at Iran. It would be bad for business and oil company profits.

George's fixation on Iraq had led us into a weaker position towards Iran.
 
Don't worry...

Howard Dean, John Kerry, Ted Kennedy, Joe Biden, and Al Gore will keep us safe


:barf:
 
The best defense we can mount, we gave up long ago by treaty, militarizing space. We should re-think that strategy, and put full military capability into orbit. American nukes in space would be a fairly persuasive argument to anyone we wished to "influence".

We simply take the high ground, as in the days of old.....

Call it operation Damocles.;)
 
We can all thank Clinton for cancelling brilliant pebbles. If this situation between Israel and Iran gets out of control, I might send him a thank-you note. It'd probably never get to him, but at least I could make one of his mail-screeners feel guilty for working for such a scumbag.
 
George's fixation on Iraq had led us into a weaker position towards Iran.
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I believe that the original intent was to have a strong position in Iraq and Afghanistan. Unfortunately, the left in this country and Bush's own bungling have cut the legs from our military. Stories that appeared shortly after the Iraqi invasion indicated that at least the theocracy in Iran thought that they were next. It isn't so any more. They have financed the insurgency and supplied them with better technology to produce more casualties. The left in this country (the Democrats) have bolstered the insurgency. Much blood is on their hands. Bush isn't any longer in a position to persuade Iran to go along, or be next in line.
 
The idea of redoing Iraq into a better place had some geopolitical merit. It was one theory of the war. A successful war might have led to some change in the Middle East.

Unfortunately, the flawed premises and strategies of the occupation may have weakened that chance.

Bush's team until recently, maybe, had the typical groupthink processes of not evaluation negative reports and not being able to disengage from a failed strategy.

I am not sure that the attack on Iraq was the best thing to do after Afghanistan as an action to change the Middle East. That is something we will never know. Just a counterfactual. However, the execution of the occupation after the war is clearly flawed as many commentators have stated - many who were conservative and prowar. The Bush team just didn't have it right or the flexibility to change. That's the greatest flaw of the man, not that we went to war but he executed it incompetently.

I hope we can recover. Clearly, Bush needs to get other major advisers than Cheney and Rumsfeld. However, I'm not sure he has the personality structure to make a cognitive evaluation of the system.
 
Haji nukes

Iran,Pakistan, India, or Asscrackistan, whoever decides to let one go that is exactly whats gonna have to happen for the rest of the civilized world, and exactly who that might be is always up-in the air to realize that people in that part of the world are nothing but blood-thirsty Savages (had to keep it gun-related) that aint figured out how to live without killing each other in over 2000yrs. I wish all of them had em w/very limited range, meaning the range to shoot them at themselfs, give a fool enough rope and he'll hang himself every time. Im sick of our boys dieing because of a bunch of dip's dont know anything but killing everyone. How stupid can a people be that has enough oil underneath them to all live like kings yet they shove goat-buggys around all day. I hope im still vertical if/when there used to be a middle east! Its sad that the rest of the world has to put-up with those people.
 
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