Eh, anti hunters, when they are a "friend"...

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Have you ever tried to put a live deer in your oven?
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Yep, putting that live deer in the oven was a chore, for sure, but it weren't nuthin' compared to that bear!

He was an ornery one, no doubt! Mighty tasty, though. ;)

Just tell her that you're proud, redneck self doesn't deserve the honor of her misguided company.

Some folks act and react on pure emotion, and facts mean nothing to them. Other's can be reasoned with, but most of those don't need to be; they already understand.

Trying to reason with an anti-gun/hunting individual is sorta like trying to teach a pig to sing. It'll frustrate you, and annoy the pig.

Don't get too attached to that female friend, mi amigo. She sounds like she lacks sense, and her looks ain't gonna make up for it.

;)

Daryl
 
So, she hires someone to kill her meat for her? You are just cutting out the middle man (and the antibiotics, and domesticated fat, and hormones, and all the crud picked up at the slaughter house.)

No wonder the cows are so mad over there. Let them eat cake.
 
Pahoo, I know folks who are anti-gun and anti-hunting. While I may not openly comment about their views, I certainly have no respect for such ignorant opinions. 'Cause that's what it is: Ignorance, coupled with emotion. "My mind is made up; don't confuse me with facts."

Picture the scene: Four couples, enjoying steaks at a nice restaurant. I made some comment about the next day being "Deer Season Eve", and one gal got all over my case about the horrors of hunting. IOW, able to hold two opposite thoughts at the same time: Restaurant steak good, do-it-yourself venison bad.

It's all emotion based, like the gal on a National Geographic program about elephants. She believes that it were better for the elephant to become extinct than to have a controlled hunting system where the license fees help preserve the health of the species.
 
Is this person really a freind?

Her wording to you is a bit disrespectful. Friendship starts with mutual respect.
I think your response to her was very well put. If she doesn't understand that and can't accept you for who you are then maybe you just can't be friends.
It's too bad, I think that having friends around the world is good to give us all a perspective on the bigger picture.

Ricky
 
In this particular case, your definition/view of "friend" must be skewed. As Rick stated above she is showing zero respect towards you. It is time to cycle this acquaintance out of your life.

Also Pahoo and jdscholer are right on in their assessments.
 
I feel for you and the feeling that your "friend" has turned on you. Many antis have the misconception that hunting equates murder, but they live in a fairy-tale world where man is the only killer and animals live together in harmony. They also equate guns with violence. If they understood reality and were observers of the world around them, they would hardly feel that way.

Next time you are accused of being a killer, simply smile and ask them where they get their food. If they are meat-eaters, someone has to kill the animals for them, so they are complicit in the crime. If they are vegetarians, they are complicit in the poisoning and starving of untold thousands of animals due to farming practices. If they are vegetarians and they use animal products, they are wasteful, because the only way to get leather or stearate (found in cosmetics and lotions) is to kill the animal they came from. Instead of pointing fingers at everyone else, let them examine their own lives and they will find they are just as guilty of killing as someone who pulls a trigger.

Judge not, that ye be not judged.
 
Hi everyone,

Thanks for all of your great points; they are all excellent...

Oh, and I don't really feel betrayed or anything; more along the lines of shocked, b/c you think you know someone & think that they have some sense, but then they show you how nutty they are! That they have no grasp of reality, and live in a fantasy land, and are convinced that YOU are the one who is crazy. And to top it off, they do it while shoving meat dinners in their mouths at that very same moment!!

Just goes to show that if someone you are close to can be this crazy, this unopen to logic, no matter how many scientific facts & examples you give them, then there is probably no hope for the millions of p.e.t.a. strangers that are even crazier than this girl is!
 
Are you guys serious? Between work and family, I really don't have sufficient time to spend with my hunting buddies and shooting friends. Why the hell waste time trying having "liberal" friends. Strap on a set, tell her to go to hell, call your buds and go to the range !:D
 
Or send them pictures of your 16 year old daughter proudly displaying a .22 rifle and a head shot bunny...:D Or your 17 year old son posing with 3 others and their dogs with a 200 pound sow hog on top of the dog box...
Least I would... I have relatives that were raised in heavily hunting oriented families and some how turned into vile tree hugging dead cow eaters!:rolleyes:
Brent
 
I personally treat it like a discussion about religion,everybody has and is entitled to their beliefs ,opinions and theories.Just don't disrespect mine and I wont yours.
 
i would give them 5 minutes of my time after that if they still don't comprehend the situation i'd break off the friendship,sorry thats me.

i'd explain as nicely as possible, that guns are not evil, they have the ability to enslave and free people alike. good people do good things with them but bad people do bad things with them. that does not make all guns bad. its not the tool its how it is used. misuse a carjack and see what happens,or a cordless drill or an air compressor.

hunting is not murder, how do you think that slab of beef got on your plate? did the cow just fall over dead from a heart attack? do you think the chickens run to the axe neck first? what about that thanksgiving turkey, did that just fall over dead of natural causes?

another thing that hunting does besides being out and one with nature enjoying the peace of the mountains or the fields or woods and streams. its animal population control, if there are too many animals and not enough food,you have animals going in peoples gardens and farms eating the food they grow for themselves,families or customers. orwould you rather have them dying of starvation,crossing roads in front of you get food, if they don't make it they get hit and damage your car.

do you want that kind of hassle? how would you feel if your garden was being eaten by the animals because there were too many and there was no control, too many states have towns where the people/township banned hunting. cars are hitting them left and right,people are b@#$#^%$ because their farms and gardens are being eaten,they have damage they can't regrow the crops quickly. they are hitting the animals particulary deer with their cars,trucks and causing thousands of dollars in damage to them. if one comes up into and through the windshield you could get killed. or you swerve to try an avoid the collision you hit a tele pole or another vehicle, and kill another driver or their family.

so would you rather have you or your best friend die from an animal coming through the windshield or your car, or would you rather a hunter keep them under control to prevent that from happening?

if after that they are still hellbent on their ways of anti gun/anti hunting. i would tell them to take a long walk on a short pier,or something similar :D.
 
I'll second that Rem! Nature looks great until they're over run by critters! Then the tune changes a bit. Two other benefits hunting and trapping provide is an accurate assessment on disease in the area among animals that may effect domestic animals. Also keeps their numbers in check, without people taking game, the numbers get too high and you have animals dying of famine. Or worse, you have predators begin looking fit joggers in the woods as a tasty meal! And all the money the states generate through hunting and trapping goes towards enforcement of poaching and provides a safe and rewarding experience for anyone who wants to participate. I wouldn't say you can't change anyone's mind, I have a friend, she wont eat any red meat.... I guess chickens aren't really animals or something.... anyway, she thought hunting or trapping especially trapping was cruel. After a number of calm conversations, she's begun to see that you don't just wonder out and shoot something. Or set a trap and any ol thing just walks by and gets it's leg broke and stays out there for days. She now understands there is much effort we put into taking wildlife, and most take a great deal of pride in doing it the right way. She also understands there are many misnomers out there that misrepresent what we do. Of course she still will not eat red meat, or go hunting herself, but does have a new respect for what it is. I think in the end, you handled you conversation well, it's when you let your emotions get in the way, all the facts are then lost. Good job keep you cool and sticking with facts!
 
Thanks, here's more, most of which I learned form that book The Politically Incorrect Guide to Hunting:

And as far a hunting being murder & evil, oh my god, where have you learned such a thing??

No one, and I mean no one, cares about and has done more for Nature than hunters. The money that we spend on licenses and in taxes on equipment has gone to buy, conserve, patrol, and protect millions of acres that would probably be gone if not for that money that we have given. Dozens of species have been managed as a renewable resource that would be extinct today if not for hunters and the money and insistence we contribute to study them...how much land they require, what their reproductive rates are, what dangers do they face from industry, encroachment, pollution, invasive species, etc.

When nature is in trouble, we are the first to sound the alarm and push for legistation to protect it. When species are in trouble, we are the first to protect them, to call for lower harvest limits, and to spread the word of the prtection that is needed.

Dozens of animals have been brought back from enadangered and threatened status by the money we give to help protect them and the land they need.

No one is a greater steward of nature than hunters.


Apart from all of that, certain animals MUST be preyed upon, such as deer. They have been designed by nature to be prey animals, and therefore they have very high reproductive rates. If not preyed upon, they destroy the environment by overgrazing (which kills off other species too) and then starving, and they cause hundreds of car accidents where lots of people actually die from the collisions, and they spread lyme disease. So since they MUST be preyed upon, it's either you let wolves and bears and moutain lions roam around free in the suburbs (where A LOT of deer live now because of so much development) next to your children, or you pay hundreds of thousands of dollars to professional snipers to kill them and waste the meat, or you have hunters pay hundreds of thousands of dollars and then use the meat. The right choice is pretty clear.

Even vegitarians need to thank hunters, because all of the crops in the fields would be eaten if not protected by hunters. OR you'd have to spend millions on fences, and then food would cost 5 times as much, and small farms would not be able to survive financially.


We don’t live in a Disney Land world, and things have to be managed in order to keep them healthy and balanced and protected. Hunters fill that role, and we should be thanked, not cursed.
 
Just goes to show that if someone you are close to can be this crazy, this unopen to logic, no matter how many scientific facts & examples you give them, then there is probably no hope for the millions of p.e.t.a. strangers that are even crazier than this girl is!
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An even more startling truth is that this type of mistake in logic may doom them. This is unsettling but true. The first time I recall hearing of this problem was in the mid 1960's reading Richard Bach's Stranger to the Ground where I was introduced to this two part concept that sometimes people die because of a combination of their own wishful thinking and the harsh external word ... and all anybody, even their best friend can do is merely watch them fall off the radar and mark the spot so somebody can come recover the body.

Now the chances of the external world "going bad" so that an individual bambi hugger dies or is badly hurt from wishful thinking are very low, much lower than the chance of death for a 1961 F-84 pilot like Bach, so they have no real incentive to change. The problem comes once in a generation or once in a century when something "goes really bad", like what is happening now to all those peace loving farmers in The Congo or Haiti or all those peaceful ship crews off the east coast of Africa.
 
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As a person that has studied medicine a lot I should tell you to inform your friend that she may have Mad Cow Disease of which she probably contracted from eating at McDonalds.

Symptoms include delirious statements frequent head aches and believing anything a liberal anti gun politician says without question.

It also gives people delusions about what is real or not and makes them start thinking the animal they had contracted the disease from is somehow related to them and can talk to them through telepathy.

They find themselves all of a sudden talking to dogs, cats, fish, cows, sheep and any wildlife that comes along including birds as if they were people.

The last known person to die from the disease was a man that thought he could talk to grizzly bears in Alaska and the bears actually put up with him for a while until one day they tore him to shreds and ate him.

She should seek medical help at once before the bears eat her also.
 
I am a second generation German-American (folks came over) and I have most of my extended relations in Europe. My grandfather and several of my uncles were avid hunters in Germany as I am here in the States. The older and more rural people have high respect for hunters - they see them as a vital animal management force ( like keeping wild boar out of a farmers potatoes or wheat). In fact hunters have to lease their land(to hunt) and are fined if they are not doing their job (crop damage)! It is the younger, metropolitan generation that oftentimes have these kooky ideas. The Green Party is particularly extreme - vegan,PETA ideas taken to the extreme. When you want to cut down a tree in your yard you must first a. get a permit and b. purchase and plant two other trees in its place! These people, in espousing their love for nature with these extreme ideas want to lord over everybody their little warped ideas about how Nature should work. They are laughable in their ignorance - so , just laugh at them!:D
 
nature has dictated that meat eaters fall into one of two categories
Predator or scavenger
Would you rather be compared to a Wolf or a Possum
An Eagle or a Buzzard, a Shark or a Crab?
 
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