Effective 12 Gauge Range

Thanks for the comment.

A lot of shooters or hunters don't truly know that heavy magnum turkey guns shooting these heavy turkey loads actually kick harder than any factory production big game cartridge shot from the rifles they are chambered for. The reason being is the heavy powder volume and the weight of the projectile makes for a heavier felt recoil to the shooters shoulder.

I shot 10 rounds one day of these loads from a bench mind you which makes the recoil harsher than shooting the gun standing up and it was about all I wanted. My shoulder couldn't take any more. I was doing some pattern and choke tube testing.
 
John,

I have played around with the Hevi-Shot loads from Remington. Why these loads shoot as good as they do is beyond me. The shot is all irregular in shape and size, but they shoot devsatating patterns. My Browning Gold 3.5" auto shooting a 3" 1 and 3/4oz #6 Hevi-Shot load with a Comp-n-Choke(I believe .680 constriction) shot a 98% pattern at 40yds in a 30" circle. That to this day is the best pattern I have ever obtained at 40yds. But they cost about $2 a pop. I can shoot a Win Supreme 2 and 1/4oz load of 4 shot for about a $1 and still kill a turkey probably as far due to the larger shot size and consistent 90% patterns from my 835 and Undertaker choke. I never tested the 4 shot Hevi-Shot loads. I have tested the 5 shot 1 and 7/8oz Hevi-Shot loads and they shot pretty good, too. But the 6 shot 1 and 3/4oz loads shot way better.
 
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Ammunition selection has a great deal to do with 'effective range' for a 12-gauge.

Heavy-Shot will add to it considerably, I'm sure.

Now.....there are those who will relate that '...in VietNam they had flechettes which would make one-shot kills at 100 meters...' Personally, I'd take that with just a tiny grain of salt. I've experimented with flechettes and found the 'effective range' to be more like 10 yards not 100. It's ultra-fancy design is no match for it's ultra-light weight and you're shooting Very ineffective bird shot with a spectacularly widening pattern (like 6 foot in diameter at 15 yards :eek:)

If it worked, our government which can spend money faster than Niagara Falls can spend water, would use it. They don't. Stick with large diameter, heavy projectiles and you'll benefit from it.
 
I have said this before on here about why 4 shot just simply kills better at 50yds or beyond. I will go through it again to what my findings are from shooting a few birds at that distance and from the results I achieved. Before I continue, the farthest bird I have ever taken with #6 copper plated shot has been 47yds. Now I know that you can kill a turkey just a little farther with #6 copper plated or lead shot, but 50yds is pushing it for this pellet size projectile due to the loss of energy it quickly loses at that distance. Even if you have a gun that can shoot a super dense tight pattern at 40yds with this size shot from a good shooting turkey load, the thing is that when you get to 50yds which is a lot farther believe me when it comes to pattern density and how the same gun and load will shoot, bigger variables come into play such as will the pellets penetrate the skull or vertebrae of a turkey at that distance, and the bigger question comes into my eyes as to will you be lucky enough to actually be able to even hit the tiny skull or vertebrae in the first place at that yardage.

A lot of folks don't know it that a #4 shot pellet is almost twice the size in diameter and in weight which means that a #4 pellet will retain better pellet energy at longer distances. Also, the #4 shot pellet will have almost twice as much ft/lbs of energy at that distance as well. Also I can tell you through experience that if you don't hit skull or vertebrae of a turkey at 50yds with a #6 copper plated or lead shot turkey load, you are not going to kill that bird. It's that simple. The reason I rely on #4 shot turkey loads is that simply put they kill better at longer yardages. Even if you don't hit the skull or vertebrae of a turkey, there is a lot of turkey body which is a lot bigger target to begin with. Now don't get me wrong, I still aim for the base of the neck right where the feathers join, but 4 shot has the power to penetrate a turkeys breast and hit the heart, or break leg bones, wing bones, etc, etc. Probably without question that a bird facing you at 50yds or a tad farther is your best killing shot due to the fact that any #4 shot that hits the breast of the bird will actually penetrate better due to the fact that a side shot will have the actual wing to protect the turkeys body. But you do give up a little of the skull area on a frontal shot.

Now quite a few barrels on the market on these turkey guns won't shoot the larger size 4 shot heavy turkey loads as well as they will 5's or 6's. The simple reason to this is that manufacturers like Remington use about a .730 or close to it diameter on the back of their barrels. Remington will also tell you that a larger backbore barrel shotgun isn't needed. Well that is bull if you want to shoot larger shot like 4 shot. And I will tell you why. Remington is right when shooting normal size shot like 5's or 6's. And I will agree with them that there isn't much of a difference from my findings comparing larger backbored barrels shooting shot sizes of 5's and 6's with Remington barrels. But the reason I believe that heavy 4 shot loads won't shoot as good through Remington barrels is due to the tighter backend barrel. For one, the shot from these #4 turkey loads aren't as small or if I can use the word dense as 5 shot or 6 shot. The smaller 5 shot or 6 shot can easily take the smaller constriction of a smaller .730 bore when being pushed through the barrel and keep their roundness and not deform or actually peen each other. The 4 shot can't simply put do this as well in that tight of a bore. But in a bigger backbored barrel like the .775 Mossberg 835 barrel, they can be shot through the bore with less pressure and not constricted near as tight. That is why the 835 barrels will simply put shoot the larger #4 shot better. My findings are you won't believe how much better a 835 barrel will shoot these heavy 2oz or larger #4 turkey loads vs a Remington barrel until you actually compare them on cardboard side by side. I'm telling you that it is night and day difference when doing so at 40yds.

I have seen my other buddies shoot 4 shot loads on their Mossberg 835 and they get the same kind of results. Both use #4 turkey loads. One of them told me they shot a gobbler at 65yds, and it went straight to the ground. Now I don't recommend that distance for shooting any turkey regardless of the shotgun used, but it does illustrate the lethal killing power of using the larger #4 turkey loads. The other buddy is the one that turned me on to the 835 and how they will shoot the heavy #4 turkey loads better than the Remington, Winchester, or other turkey guns on the market that refuse to open up the backend of their barrels to a bigger dimension.
 
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I'll also pass this info along about 2 brands of choke tubes to use that will simply put save you a lot of money of buying the more expensive choke tubes that are out there. H.S.(Hunters Specialties) Undertaker choke tubes are simply one of the best choke tubes I have yet to try. http://www.hunterspec.com/Updateable/update_display.cfm?pageID=425&categoryID=33 You can get them at Wally World for $20 not counting tax. They will give you about 90% patterns at 40yds using 5 or 6 shot in most guns. I use this choke tube(.695 constriction) as I stated earlier on my Mossberg 835 barrel. It is one of my favorite choke tubes. The other brand is Carlson's choke tubes. They make some very good ones as well. http://www.choketube.com/

Don't be misled by choke tubes offering slots that supposedly stop the wad for denser patterns. That is simply put not true. I will say that the Comp-n-Choke brand slotted choke tube does shoot very well. But again the Undertaker choke shoots just as good and maybe better. The thing I have also learned that even the exact same brand choke tube say if you buy 3 of each is that one will shoot just a little better than the others. I have seen this to be true through my testing. A good choke tube constriction for most barrels on the market for 12GA shotguns shooting heavy #5 or #6 turkey loads is .665 constriction from my findings or say .005 up or down from it. For #4's in most shotguns I would say .680 to .690 would be the best. On Mossberg 835 barrels, .675 to .680 is about perfect for #5's and #6's, and .695 to .705 seems to be about right.

Also I can share with you guys that you can play with choke tubes such has I have and experiment with buying say .005 tighter or bigger or .010 tighter or bigger size chokes, but .010 to .015 choke constriction in these turkey chokes isn't going to be much of a difference that you will even notice. That has been my findings. Save your money and stick with some of the choke tube brands I mentioned and those particular constrictions.

Hope that helps some who would like to know.
 
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835

1+ on the bore comparision.
Also a good choice is the New England Firearms 10 gauge single shot.
I use a 12 gauge chamber reducer and get great patterns.
It allows you to shoot 10 gauge or 12 gauge turkey loads.
 
Mossberg 835

Mr. Brad Clodfelter, this post is for you and I also have a question. I saw the post that you use an Undertaker .695 choke tube on your Mossberg 835 and shoot Winchester Supreme 3 1/2" 2 1/4oz loads. I have an 835 myself and recently tried the Winchester Supreme 3 1/2" 2 1/4oz loads in #5 shot with a trueglow choke and wasn't very impressed at the pattern at 40 yards. How do you like the Undertaker .695 choke tube when shooting Winchester Supreme 3 1/2" 2 1/4oz loads? and also do you use the #5 shot also?
 
3-1/2" 12 Guage

I have fired exactly 3 rounds of 3-1/2" 12 guage magnum Turkey loads. I remember each one very well cuz they hurt like hell!. IMHO no need for bigger than 3".
 
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