Eagle Scout Suspended for 'Weapons'

don't forget those x-acto blades in the art classes! take the blade out, slide it between your fingers, and you've got a nasty slicing weapon.
 
Guys, don't forget, these zero-tolerance laws are what the sheeple asked for. The school board, principal, etc. have no say in the matter. You bring a "weapon" to school grounds, you get suspended, period. Or, if you're an adult, you go to jail. IMHO, the more of these idiotic cases, the better - because the sooner we'll be rid of this moronic zero tolerence bullpuckey.

If they're going to keep this crap, there needs to be some sort of review built into the system before there is any kind of punishment - like a trial or some such thing.

It makes me think about an article I read from a teacher. The teachers got together and decided that they would not accept late homework, etc. They presented it to the PTA, who said they supported it fully. Of course, that support ended when it was their kid who was going to flunk because the teacher was following the rules - the rules were for everyone else's kids. The PTA members talk to the administrators about their "special" kid, the administrators tell the teachers to make an exception, and the teachers wind up without a rule at all - because of the same parents who supported it.

nuts, huh? There are always consequences, the more people that are affected by them, the more people will realize that zero-tolerance rules don't work.
 
Here's a local article that the AP adapted:

http://www.savannahmorningnews.com/CURRENT/LOCaxed.shtml
Scout axed from school

Jenkins junior suspended for having knife, ax in car used for scouting activities.


By Jenel Few
Savannah Morning News

Brian Agnew is a Jenkins High School junior, Eagle Scout and honors student. And his parents couldn't be more proud.

He scored 1,000 on the SAT when he was in seventh grade, he's a member of the National Honor Society, is taking three Advanced Placement courses, plays the trumpet in the school band, leads a school group called Warriors for Christ, and he's a senior patrol leader for Boy Scout Troop 26 and recently completed his Eagle Scout project -- an outdoor trail at May Howard Elementary School.

But he also got suspended for having a knife, an ax and a cell phone in his car and has to finish out the school year at an alternative school as part of his punishment.

On May 9 while Brian was in first-period physics, he was called out of class and sent to the principal's office because the administration received an anonymous tip from someone who said he might have weapons in his car. Brian's parents say their son was set up.

"We think it was a student," his father, David Agnew, said. "We don't know if it was a jealousy thing or a grudge."

Brian admitted there was an ax locked in his trunk and agreed to a search of his car.

School officials found the ax head and the handle which, according to his father, had broken off some months earlier. David Agnew said his father had given it to him 20 years ago, and he passed it down to Brian. Brian kept it even after the handle broke off because it reminded him of his grandfather.

His father said the ax had been used a month earlier on his Eagle Scout project at May Howard and the night before at a Boy Scout meeting, where Brian demonstrated the proper handling of scouting tools.

In the glove box there was a pocketknife his father had purchased for him for advancing in scouting and a cell phone his father gave him for safety.

The ax, knife and cell phone are all banned from school property under the Savannah-Chatham County School System's "Student Code of Conduct."

Number two on the Code of Conduct's list of 10 Level I Misbehaviors is bringing nuisance and nonrelated items on school property -- including telephones and other electronic devices.

Sixth on the list of 10 acts that are punishable as a designated felony and warrant mandatory student referral to alternative school is using, exhibiting or possessing an illegal knife or club or any other prohibited weapon.

Ninth on the list of 19 behaviors warranting expulsion and referral to court is possession or use of any dangerous instrument which may be used to inflict bodily harm, including knives.

The Student Code of Conduct lists all of the school system's expectations and responsibilities for students and their parents, according to Pat Leslie, the system administrator who handles the 50-page document.

"It's given to students in the beginning of the year and it is given to their parents who have to sign for it," Leslie said. "We do that so they know the consequences and so they know exactly what the school rules are."

The consequences for Brian Agnew included an automatic 10-day suspension and transfer to alternative school from May 9-22.

That meant he was banned from regular campus activities and Jenkins High School. He missed the spring band concert, the National Honors Society Banquet, the Honors Night ceremony, the junior prom and two advanced placement exams, according to his father.

Then a hearing was held so an administrative panel could determine punishment for the possession of the ax and knife -- behaviors that typically warrant expulsion and criminal charges.

His parents hired an attorney and students and family friends testified about the clean-cut boy's stellar behavior and accomplishments. Many of David Agnew's colleagues who had never met his son joined the cause because they felt it was unfair to punish someone with such an upstanding reputation.

"We hoped the 10 days would be the end," his father said. "But they decided he would get long-term suspension and he can't come back to school until the fall."

Because the long-term suspension will extend through the summer, Brian Agnew won't be able to go to Washington, D.C., with the high school band and perform at a White House Bicentennial celebration. And they're concerned that he might not be able to attend the Governor's Honors program at Valdosta State this summer.

"My son has suffered enough. My family has suffered enough," David Agnew said. "My son is being offered as sacrifice on the altar of policy."

People, he said, are more important than policy.

"I knew he had the ax in the car. He knew he had the ax in the car. But I never considered it a weapon -- I considered it a tool," David Agnew said.

But should a school system that has had three campus shooting incidents and three student deaths in four years make exceptions to the zero tolerance weapons rules?

Just two months ago three students were shot in front of Beach High School after leaving a school dance. Two of them died. In 1996 a student was shot to death by a schoolmate on campus. Two months later a Groves High school student fired off two shots at students in the media center and attempted a third but his gun jammed.

In an era in which students throughout the country have chosen to settle their differences and express their frustrations with deadly campus violence, school officials say they can't afford to be flexible with their weapons policies. To exempt a student in possession of two banned weapons because he is a nice guy and didn't intend on hurting anyone could open up the door for too many other excuses for breaking rules.

"We have rules and regulations that are in print and we must abide by those guidelines," said Robert Gilbert, associate superintendent of schools.

Still, many of Agnew's supporters have gone to school administrators and board members to try to get the suspension rescinded.

They argue that there is a need for a zero tolerance policy, but not one that affects good kids. And Brian Agnew, they say, is a really good kid who is being made to suffer because of an inflexible, unforgiving policy.

"There's a fear and probably an overwhelming caution of these kinds of things but we have a choice to make and the board has a choice to make," said Skidaway Presbyterian Church Rev. Todd Collier. "Dictate decisions by fear or by sound reasoning based upon the facts of each case."

Collier only knows of the boy's reputation. But he said that was enough to compel him to speak to Jenkins High School Principal Freddie Gilyard.

"Here's a kid with no record of bad behavior or violence -- nothing but stellar performance. He's not walking around like some thug in the hallway," Collier said. "You can't lump them all in the same basket. You've got to handle case by case."

The boys' parents and supporters don't think the school system should have a predetermined list of crimes and punishments. They believe administrators should look past the infractions and consider a student's intent and past record before a punishment is determined.

"The only crime committed was that the better part of my son's junior year has been robbed from him," David Agnew said.

But School Police Chief Ulysses Bryant said board policy is separate from state law. Carrying an ax in your trunk and a knife in your glove compartment might not be illegal under state law, he said. But board policy prohibits it and if you bring those things on campus you will have to adhere to consequences it established to maintain order and safety.

If you're a box boy carrying a box cutter for work, if you have a steak knife in your lunch bag to cut up leftovers, even if you're an Eagle Scout with an ax and knife for scouting, Bryant said it will not be tolerated.

But David Agnew said he isn't ashamed of anything his son has done. "My son is not a criminal, he's not a villain. He's more than paid his due."

He is working with an attorney to plan an appeal to the school board.

"I told him I was so sorry a Boy Scout pocket knife I had given him for advancement in Boy Scouts and an ax I passed on to him was being used against him."

Higher education reporter Jenel Few can be reached at jfew@savannahnow.com or 652-0325.
 
One other point ... note this is a public (i.e. government) school.

Vote with your feet. Consider supporting school choice in your state. Charter schools, private schools, home schooling, school vouchers, etc. Government schools are a real problem, IMHO.

Also, consider becoming active in your local PTA. Get inside the belly of this beast, and help them see the common sense of self defense, reasonable school policies, the fallacy of anti-self defense gun bigotry ...

Regards from AZ
 
I don't know if anyone said this, but there is actually a regulation somewhere on the books in California that gives teachers/prinicpal/administrators the right to confiscate pagers (and cell phones I think) from students (the parents had to come pick up the pager or you had to pick it up at the end of the school day) at least it was there 4 years ago when I was a senior in HS. Not only because they cause disruptions in class, but because drug dealers use them to make drug deals. Stupid reg. My stupid principal use to harass students he didn't like with that rule. Stupidity. He also took away the senior streak and the senior cut day my senior year. I didn't like that guy

An axe and a pocketknife in a car are not a threat to anyone. And cellphone in a car is a good idea. Being an Eagle Scout, he was probably just being prepared, like the Scout Motto tells us to. I had a knife in my car, jumper cables in the trunk, and various other tools, so that if there was minor problems with my car, or someone else, I could help out. Do we have emails for the people in charge?


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It ain't mah fault. did I do dat?
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Typical idiots in charge of our public schools.

Let's find out how to contact this kid's family so we can send them something that shows our support.
 
This even made Paul Harvey today with a follow up comment by him as to how home schooling is growing at a huge pace.
 
Eventually these idiots will rule and law themselves right out of a job, then who will they cry to?????
Casull
 
It appears that the concept which is in dispute is that one of the following propositions are true:
A) Treat everyone the same.

OR

B) Acknowledge individuality.

Treating everyone the same smacks of socialism. Treating everyone the same is what the government schools do well. Dumb down the curricula until all the children can pass it . . . etc.

Respecting the individual can lead to greater difficulty in applying the rules. It's hard. That's ok; it's also difficult to defend freedom on a national level, too.

Thanks, TomMarker, for the article. The other one didn't make it clear that Brian has already completed a 10 day suspension and missed all those important activities. I'm shaking with anger. I hope he can reschedule the AP tests. And when he takes them, I hope he can concentrate on them in spite of this mess!!

It's also fascinating to me that Brian is a Christian. Nowdays, that's not looked upon with favor by the government schools either. I'll certainly be praying for Brian and his family.

--Denise
 
"But School Police Chief Ulysses Bryant said board policy is separate from state law. Carrying an ax in your trunk and a knife in your glove compartment might not be illegal under state law, he said. But board policy prohibits it and if you bring those things on campus you will have to adhere to consequences it established to maintain order and safety.

If you're a box boy carrying a box cutter for work, if you have a steak knife in your lunch bag to cut up leftovers, even if you're an Eagle Scout with an ax and knife for scouting, Bryant said it will not be tolerated."

How about if you're a boarderline idiot school cop (someone who can't do real police work because it involves getting off your dead ass!), are exceptions made for these wannabes to carry weapons on school grounds?

In Savannah, the school police are mostly wannabes who may or may not be certified LEOs in the state of Georgia that couldn't get on with a real Police or Sheriffs Dept.
 
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Sixth on the list of 10 acts that are punishable as a designated felony and warrant mandatory student referral to alternative school is using, exhibiting or possessing an illegal knife or club or any other prohibited weapon.
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If this keeps this young man from purchasing a gun, I'll buy one for him and give it to him as a gift.

[edited by John/az2]ing laws be damned!

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John/az
"When freedom is at stake, your silence is not golden, it's yellow..." RKBA!
www.cphv.com
 
Jeff Thomas beat me to it, but I will say again what I always say when this kind of idiocy occurs - Do what you have to and get your kids out of Government Schools!!!
 
I can't believe you people are defending this boys actions . Don't you see what this could lead to ? If you let this go unpunished he will then think he is free to even bring a Bible to school property . Then you'll see what you've done !!


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TOM
SASS AMERICAN LEGION NRA
 
The public school system is bringing up our children to be sheep. They will be sheared for wool until the time comes for thier slaughter.
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by TomMarker:

But should a school system that has had three campus shooting incidents and three student deaths in four years make exceptions to the zero tolerance weapons rules?

Just two months ago three students were shot in front of Beach High School after leaving a school dance. Two of them died. In 1996 a student was shot to death by a schoolmate on campus. Two months later a Groves High school student fired off two shots at students in the media center and attempted a third but his gun jammed.

In an era in which students throughout the country have chosen to settle their differences and express their frustrations with deadly campus violence, school officials say they can't afford to be flexible with their weapons policies. To exempt a student in possession of two banned weapons because he is a nice guy and didn't intend on hurting anyone could open up the door for too many other excuses for breaking rules.
[my commentary]So lets see, zero tolerance didn't stop bad people from bringing a gun onto school grounds - but it's still a good thing? [end comment]

They argue that there is a need for a zero tolerance policy, but not one that affects good kids. And Brian Agnew, they say, is a really good kid who is being made to suffer because of an inflexible, unforgiving policy.

[me again] hmmm we need zero toerance, but not for good kids like mine, only for the other , evil kids... hmmmm maybe they should rethink this attitude. [end comment]

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Rob
From the Committee to Use Proffesional Politicians as Lab Animals
 
Just sent this to

Virginia Edwards
Superintendent (912) 201-5585
schatham@peachnet.campuscwix.net

I had to read this article twice to believe it.
Do you think he was going to do something wrong or are you afraid of you own shadow? An anonymous tip, try jealous student. The person or persons turning him in should be punished as well. When will this zero tolerance come down to sharp pencils and keys. When I say jealous student I should include jealous parent, these days the parents are just as bad. The first chance you have take the SS back out to the parking lot and anonymously search all of the cars. How many students do you think you'll have in class the next day?
 
Where's the Rev. Jesse Jackson, and his group of protesters from Illinois at now? The ones who fought so hard to have 6 students re-instated after fighting? Where is he at now? Why isn't the Rev. Jackson down in Georgia now, fighting to get this young man back in school?

[This message has been edited by FREEDOM FIGHTER (edited May 25, 2000).]
 
sbryce,

As mentioned above in the quote of the cheif, it is a school board issue, in some states. However, in Georgia it is supported by a state law that makes it a *FELONY* to be caught in posession any knife or weapon on school grounds, period. I have heard of a high school girl getting kicked out of school for having a stupid butter knife in her lunch box to fix her sandwich with.

That is absolutely outrageous!! Common sense is all but gone these days!! :mad:

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The Glock freak formerly known as Chris...
 
I just emailed my letter to the superintendent. What a joke this administration has made of itself. Please fellow TFL members, let's email this lady and tell her how we feel. --plinker2--
 
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