Durbin: Remove him from the Senate NOW

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Fom The Washington Times, Frank Gaffney makes the case for removal from the Senate of Dick Durbin (D-IL) for his insidious and outrageous smear of American soldiers at Guantanamo Bay - the same soldiers who put their lives on the line to provide a safe nation for him to live in. His slander of these brave soldiers must not be allowed to go unpunished.

Clearly, Durbin must be removed from the Senate. We will see if his fellow Senators have the integrity and courage to make him pay the price for his outrage; removal is cleary the only approperiate course of action.

Based on past performance, my guess is that they do not.



The Washington Times
www.washingtontimes.com

Dustbin Durbin
By Frank J. Gaffney Jr.
Published June 21, 2005

When a United States Senator says something deeply offensive, there are usually but two immediate recourses: Either he or she voluntarily apologizes, or colleagues formally censure the senator.

If the senator happens, however, to be a member of the leadership -- as was the case with then-Majority Leader Trent Lott in December 2002 -- another option is available: The humiliating loss of power resulting from the forced removal from that high office. Such a remedy clearly seems appropriate in the case of the Senate's unapologetic and as-yet-uncensored Minority Whip, Dick Durbin, Illinois Democrat.

By now, Mr. Durbin's offense is well-known. In remarks on the Senate floor last Wednesday, he equated American servicemen and -women engaged in the difficult and dangerous incarceration of unlawful combatants in the Guantanamo Bay prison with the perpetrators of the Nazi holocaust, Soviet gulag and Khmer Rouge killing fields in Cambodia.

The question is: Does this rise to a firing offense equivalent to that which prompted Mr. Lott to be driven from power? Surely, by any objective measure the answer must be "YES."

Mr. Lott lost his leadership post after effusively praising a retiring colleague, the now-deceased Sen. Strom Thurmond. His remarks were widely interpreted to suggest Mr. Lott thought America would have been better off if the racist views held by the South Carolinian senator when he ran for president in 1948 had prevailed. They were, understandably, deeply offensive to black Americans and all others who regard segregation as a terrible stain on this nation's history.

Mr. Lott's failure to apologize promptly and persuasively for such comments fed a firestorm of criticism that led shortly to his colleagues demanding his resignation as majority leader. That pressure came from Republicans as well as Democrats.

The statement Mr. Durbin made last week gave at least as much offense to victims of past systematic and violent wrongdoing -- to Jews and others who lost some 6 million loved ones to Adolf Hitler's gas chambers and death camps, to those whose kith and kin were among the 20 million or so exterminated by Soviet communism and to those subjected to Pol Pot's murderous terror. It demeans their sacrifice to suggest anything that has happened to date at Gitmo -- where not a single detainee has died -- remotely compares to what happened every day under the odious regimes Mr. Durbin cited.

Also offended should be everyone worried about the growing ignorance of many Americans about history. How can we be critical of students who have no idea what the Revolutionary War was about, who Abraham Lincoln was or just about anything else predating the Michael Jackson trial if one of the most prominent and powerful of American legislators is so ridiculously ignorant of historical facts? Surely, Mr. Durbin would get a failing grade on his SATs.

Mr. Durbin's most grievous offense, of course, was his defamation of American troops who protect us from terrorist operatives, trainers, recruiters, bomb-makers and financiers confined at Guantanamo. He has not only derided their service. He has legitimated our enemies' efforts to wage war against us by suggesting the government whose orders they follow is literally -- as well as morally -- equivalent to the most repressive regimes the world has ever known.

Ironically, Mr. Durbin's remarks can be expected to embolden the Islamofascists who seek, as in Iran, to subject ever more people to their brutal application of Shari'a law -- a system of government that has much more in common with history's most odious totalitarian regimes than the latter do with American conduct at Guantanamo or anyplace else.

Such repercussions should be as unacceptable to Democrats in and outside the Senate as they are to other Americans. Speaking of history, it clearly suggests that, if the Democratic Party is ever again to be trusted with power, its leaders must be seen as trustworthy stewards of the national security.

Consequently, it is no longer enough that Mr. Durbin provide a more heartfelt and convincing apology for his comments about Guantanamo Bay. In failing to do so thus far (by Friday, he had only issued a statement regretting others were misinterpreting his historical references), he has compounded the original offense and obliged his colleagues to take corrective action.

For the Democratic Party once again to be seen as a reliable advocate for American power -- a role performed by such past leaders as Franklin Roosevelt, Harry Truman and Henry M. "Scoop" Jackson, it must convincingly and completely disassociate itself from Mr. Durbin. The only way that can be achieved is by stripping him of his leadership responsibilities.

As with the vote on John Bolton's nomination, the decision about removing Dick Durbin as minority whip is an early test of Sen. Hillary Clinton's purported "centrist" credentials. If she hopes to persuade voters across America she has the stuff to lead this country, she must demonstrate she is prepared to lead her party in more responsible directions in the Senate.

Frank J. Gaffney Jr. is president of the Center for Security Policy and a columnist for The Washington Times.
 
Reed, Clinton, Dean and Durbin...

It appears that insanity has, at long last, become the legacy of the Democratic party. So desperate are they to claw their way back into power that they have slipped over the edge into shockingly frequent, unrepentant displays of mouth frothing, psychosis tinged, wild eyed ranting. In my 40+ years of watching politics in this country I have never witnessed either of the two major parties descend into lunacy quite this completely.

Folks who are waiting for the Shrew for Chicago to ride her broom to the rescue, fix things and lead the Dems. to victory are going to be sadly disappointed as she is as unhinged as the rest of them. Centrist, my hindquarters.

Durbin needs to go completely...failing that, he needs to move from the front of the pack to a back bench.
 
I love it.

Both parties crucify Trent Lott for a joke he apoligized for, and they let this traitor remain in power without a peep.
 
"If I read this to you and did not tell you that it was an FBI agent describing what Americans had done to prisoners in their control, you would most certainly believe this must have been done by Nazis, Soviets in their gulags or some mad regime – Pol Pot or others – that had no concern for human beings."

I don't see him comparing our soldiers to Nazis. I see him complaining about abuse and saying that people who abuse prisoners are no better than Nazis, Soviets, or Communists. Whether the abuse is real or not is secondary. I doubt our soldiers are abusing prisoners, but if I ever encountered a soldier or interrogation agent beating a prisoner with a broomstick or probing their rears with a lightstick or urinating on them, I'd be putting a gun to their head and pulling the trigger. (with a hand on the barrel to shield myself from backsplatter)
 
Read it again, Heist. He's talking about yelling, about playing garbage rap music loudly, about fiddling with the air conditioning. Real freshman prank nonsense.

And he likens that to the brutal starvation, forced relocations, slave labor, man-made famines, freezing cold, mass executions, etc. of Hitler, Stalin and Pol Pot?

And he does it when our men and women are in harm's way with every islamofascist on the globe trying to blow them up? Knowing the islamist press would go into a feeding frenzy over it?

There are only two - not necessarily mutually exclusive - possibilities:

Durbin is a malignant traitor who should be run out of town on a rail; and/or

Durbin is mentally ill.

Either or both, he is manifestly unfit for service in the United States Senate.
 
Read it again, Heist. He's talking about [...] freshman prank nonsense.

Ok.

Durbin drew the controversial comparison after reading an FBI agent's report describing how detainees at the U.S. Navy base in Cuba were chained to the floor in extreme temperatures without food or water
 
Ahhh, I guess it's too bad you can't see my quivering lower lip over the internet. You see, it's quivering because I'm so horrified that all those fine upstanding Islamic scholars are being treated in so foul a manner by the cruel Torquemadas of Gitmo.

My conclusion stands. Durbin is a disgrace. Lott made an off-the-cuff comment at a birthday party and both parties flayed him. He gave up his leadership position. Durbin reads a prepared statement from the well of the Senate, a statement fairly well guaranteed to bring additional harm to our military personnel, and Harry Reid says criticism of these asinine comments is "pathetic."

How many prisoners have died from their "torture" at Gitmo?
 
Ahhh, I guess it's too bad you can't see my quivering lower lip over the internet. You see, it's quivering because I'm so horrified that all those fine upstanding Islamic scholars are being treated in so foul a manner by the cruel Torquemadas of Gitmo.

Sense of security from the anonymity of the internet + audience = some smacktard trying to put words or positions into my mouth through sarcasm and look good while doing it. :rolleyes:
 
I know you might have heard this on talk radio but I will bring it up again....

The basic training program in the U.S. Military has and uses tougher methods and treatment on recruits. Being that Dick Derby hasn't ever served in the military service he wouldn't understand this. This is just two points of many made by the host. I could tell the note he read from was from a real troop that had been through it all.

This morning I see the so called 2nd highest (?) in the Dem party saying he is sorry and looking like a child up there holding back tears. I have the feeling if the tears were real they were because someone in that Lib side chewed him a new a******. He also might be crying if he realized how many votes he lost on any election plans in his bright ;) future.

When Lott put his foot in his mouth he ended up saying he was sorry some 5 times. The war cry from the left was ..... kick his backside out.....and they had no reason and never for a second were going to forgive his mistake. Seems funny how Senator John was so quick to except Dick Derbins tears and say enough is enough..... While I respect John's service to his nation and his POW days in the Hilton, I have no faith for him as an executive branch type... As bad as things are in both parties at times I got to give the edge to the Reps. I guess the vice had to open his pie hole and say something about Howard Dean's Momma........This was a real smart one but since Dick isn't running for anything next time around maybe he cares less what he says?

The media is playing John and giving him thumbs up....I agree the media would love John to run independent and pull a spoil and give the Dems a better crack at the big house???? I don't see the media or the so called friendship thing across the row going to work for John. He is getting taken and he jogs right along with the empty ice cream cart :confused: ..... How can this respected veteran got lost so far in how it works in Washington politics???? Maybe he knows what he is up to and plans to jump sides and be the second coming of the way it used to be in the Dem. party???? I don't know much about politics other than I think most of the dang thing is a special interest and big wallet operation........ and it makes me :barf:
 
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There is no shootin' at US troops without wearin' a fixed distinctive sign recognizable at a distance. Any man caught shootin' at US troops without a fixed distinctive sign recognizable at a distance spends a day in the box.

Hey, it could be worse, they could be thrown in Federal prison and become Bubba's girlfriend, to be brutally raped every day and twice on Sundays. But that's the kind of treatment we reserve for real scumbags like recidivist potheads, not bloodthirsty jihadis caught shooting at US troops.
 
Thanks Mr. James

I want Mr. James on my team........... Talks truth and swings for the bleacher seats.......... and has a healthy spine, guts, and brass balls.

Yep, I am happy your thinking like I am........
 
Sure he did...........

Derbin said a G-man give him this info.........ya sure he did ;)

And as always "I won't say who the agent is for his safety" ......Ya sure - I think we get the feeling this agent is something in Dick's imagination???


Seems that when someone has such damn hot info they might just trot over to the Grand Jury and spill it? Why tell Dickie? Help me out here???


I think Dick should pick up his toys and skip on home........ Smells like dinner is ready........Chicken wings? ;)
 
Heist...

Mr. James is spot on, sarcasm and all. You can't polish a turd and Durbin pinched off a wopper. No amount of parsing on his part or yours mitigates the incredible stupidity, inappropriateness and arrogance of his comments.

BTW...you're not one of those fellas that debates the meaning of the word 'is', are ya?
 
Durbin would be a disembodied voice deserving zero attention if it were not for the media. Durbin gains respectability because the media drapes credibility on his shoulders. Those who think for themselves know what Durbin is: A barking moonbat socialist. :cool:
 
I don't have much use for his apologists either. I really NEED to question anyone who would defend this Dick's comments.

Censure, Remove, Replace. He is both offal and awful.
 
Look closely at what I posted. Did I defend what he said? Did I say that it wasn't stupid, likely unfounded, or inane? No.

There's something in the way that article is written that makes me feel like I'm reading a VPC article on the proliferation of handguns.

Just because he said something that isn't exactly intelligent is nothing new. Democrats and Republicans alike have been doing it about gun control for decades.

I'd like to see some senators removed for their 'insidious and outrageous smears' against law abiding gun owners, but I think we can all agree that the existing checks and balances work fine. If you set a dangerous precedent, you can look forward to it being used against you down the road.

Imagine the Brady Bunch calling for a senator to be removed because he spoke out and said that he had information that Mrs. Brady wants innocent citizens to die.

Fom The Washington Times, Frank Gaffney makes the case for removal from the Senate of Dick Durbin (D-IL) for his insidious and outrageous smear of American soldiers at Guantanamo Bay - the same soldiers who put their lives on the line to provide a safe nation for him to live in. His slander of these brave soldiers must not be allowed to go unpunished.

"If I read this to you and did not tell you that it was an FBI agent describing what Americans had done to prisoners in their control, you would most certainly believe this must have been done by Nazis, Soviets in their gulags or some mad regime – Pol Pot or others – that had no concern for human beings."

I don't see why we're keeping combatants from a foreign country that we invaded prisoner. Kill them or let them go. If they are terrorists, kill them. This crap with fake menstrual blood and pork enemas is juvenile.

I'm going to assume that 100% of the male population in Afghanistan was comprised of terrorists or those who wanted to harm the US, we can avoid any debate over what the status of the general militia-type resistance encountered when the US decides to invade a country should be once we have captured them.

But let's step into hypothetical land for a moment. Remember the prisoners being stacked naked while that ugly tart England posed with them? Would you say that anyone who speaks out against anal-probing Iraqis with lightsticks as a traitor? I think that the 'man-stacking' was a little retarded (apologies to the developmentally challenged) and honestly beneath the US military. If our armed forces are so great that a two-bit polichicken saying something that can be interpreted as comparing a small portion of them to Nazis is a bad bad thing, then they're capable of living up to that. There is no gray area.

Clearly, Durbin must be removed from the Senate. We will see if his fellow Senators have the integrity and courage to make him pay the price for his outrage; removal is cleary the only approperiate course of action.

The question is: Does this rise to a firing offense equivalent to that which prompted Mr. Lott to be driven from power? Surely, by any objective measure the answer must be "YES."

I don't see why Lott had to step down for his comments, I don't see why Durbin should step down by his. If his Constituents continue to elect him, that's their own problem.

Put it like this: People on both sides of the aisle are eroding our country, our freedoms, and our ways of life pick and shovel, but the person you want thrown out of the senate is someone who said something unfounded and generally dumb. Nice priorities.

Also, a general tipoff is that when someone uses the word clearly and provides no solid backup aside from emotional appeal, it isn't really that 'clear'. And then we have 'surely' used the same way.

For the Democratic Party once again to be seen as a reliable advocate for American power -- a role performed by such past leaders as Franklin Roosevelt, Harry Truman and Henry M. "Scoop" Jackson, it must convincingly and completely disassociate itself from Mr. Durbin. The only way that can be achieved is by stripping him of his leadership responsibilities.

For the Democratic Party once again to be seen as a reliable advocate for 'American Power' (we can debate the military-industrial complex and global cop thing re: Washington's no foreign entanglements principle later) they can ditch all the people who want to destroy our country, and forget about someone saying things. Oh NOOO, someone said something that could be taken to be bad about the military if the military is actively abusing fellow humans. No one has mentioned that if no one is really abusing anyone in Guantanamo, which is quite likely, that his comparison to nazis applies to *gasp* no one at all.

he equated American servicemen and -women engaged in the difficult and dangerous incarceration of unlawful combatants in the Guantanamo Bay prison with the perpetrators of the Nazi holocaust, Soviet gulag and Khmer Rouge killing fields in Cambodia.

I can make an analogy to what his statement was easily.

People who shoot other people in the head without provocation are as bad as Osame bin Laden. Now imagine that in a Handgun Control magazine. Now imagine people saying that that magazine compares law abiding gun owners to Osama. In the context of where that statement would appear, it's a kind of passive-aggressive attack on gun owners. I'm not going to even care about it, because it's a) true b) not applicable to me as I don't shoot people without provocation. Not that you know about, anyway.

The statement Mr. Durbin made last week gave at least as much offense to victims of past systematic and violent wrongdoing -- to Jews and others who lost some 6 million loved ones to Adolf Hitler's gas chambers and death camps, to those whose kith and kin were among the 20 million or so exterminated by Soviet communism and to those subjected to Pol Pot's murderous terror. It demeans their sacrifice to suggest anything that has happened to date at Gitmo -- where not a single detainee has died -- remotely compares to what happened every day under the odious regimes Mr. Durbin cited.

No it doesn't, and if you followed what I said you'd get where I'm coming from.



Conclusion:

Is Durbin likely an idiot? Yes, for probably making up an FBI source in order to jump on the bash guantanamo bandwagon.

Are most politicians idiots who in addition to making statements, actually do things which harm our country? Yes.

Is torture bad? I'm going to differ from most people on this forum and say that yes, if you are a man torturing and killing another man, you are in the same low place as the Nazis.

Are our servicemen torturing prisoners? I really really doubt it, any torture that goes on is going on in other countries, although a case of incompetance and apathy on our own watch will pop up from time to time as in any large group of people.

Should Durbin be removed? When he's voted out next term, if he is.

Should Lott have been forced to resign? Good god no, I think Senators and anyone else should have the full freedom to say whatever they want and suffer the consequences at the hands of the voters.

Am I an anti-american pantywaist who hates our troops? Probably a lot of people are going to try to say this, and I'll probably see them post "if you have nothing to hide you won't have a problem with the Patriot Act" sometime too.
 
Heist...

You lost me with your second use of the word 'retard' as a common part of speech or put down follwed by a worthless, toss off 'apology' to the 'developmentally challenged'. Thats like using the 'n' word as a put down followed with an 'apology' to all 'African Americans'. It's no wonder that you defend Durbin, you both don't seem to get it. Some folks kids !!!
 
I'm not defending Durbin any more than you're defending Lyndie England. My use of 'smacktard' was out of line, sorry James. I stand by my use of retarded. Stacking naked prisoners serves no purpose and is embarrassingly pathetic and could only come into play with someone functioning below a normal human level making decisions.

PS: What's with everyone immediately thinking that because I don't agree with how they're attacking some democrat from chicago, that I'm defending him? Gah.
 
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