Drill and Tap a 29-2?

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Lets be civil, folks. And remember that personal attacks are a crash and burn offense in this forum, unlike so many others.

The OP asked if drilling and tapping his gun will harm the value. It will. Period. Any non factory permanent change to a gun harms the value to some people, and some harm the value to everyone.

Documented custom work from a recognized master smith can increase the value, IF it is work that is felt to be a benefit by the prospective purchaser, WHEN the gun is up for sale. For instance, sights from King's Custom just like ol' Elmer had on his gun would make it worth more to some, and less to others. A nice trigger job from the Shootin Shack down the street, (that closed 25 years ago) might be a nice trigger job, but its really tough to use that to justify added value in the marketplace. Buyers simply won't readily pay more, just because you say you spent money having it "improved", etc.

There is collector interest (including those who just collect to shoot) for ALL the pinned and recessed S&Ws these days, and its getting bigger for certain models faster than others.

Does that mean that if he drills it it becomes worthless? No. It just means that it won't bring as much as it possibly could when it gets sold. Thats all. Would the shooter get average market value selling it as a shooter? Probably. Would he get full market from a collector? Unlikely.

Is there really anything more to discuss?

 

[newfrontier45]

Do not assume that because this is my 24th post on 'this' forum that I just fell off the turnip truck yesterday. Assume that I speak without knowledge and I will capitalize upon it.

Please, your handle is Winchester `73 and mine is newfrontier45. Which is a reference to the Colt New Frontier .45Colt. Do not insult my intelligence and presume to tell me that old guns hold no special appeal. Do not tell me that there is NO reason to hunt with an old nickeled 29 over a new 629. You know better than that and surely you can do better than that.

When you know what you're doing, its easy to buy and sell for profit.

I thought this thread was about hunting with a model 29, not making a living off buying and selling guns. Believe it or not, there are many of us who do not do this to make or save money. We do it to SPEND money.

Just because this is online doesn't mean your posts don't have to be well thought out. Remember, the preferred order is THINK, then POST.

Condescension duly noted. Thanks for the lesson, I would treat you to a lesson in etiquette and manners but I believe it would be a wasted trip. Once again, I would suggest you refrain from making any assumptions about me, my knowledge, experience or grasp of the English language.

 

[newfrontier45]

Let us assume for the sake of argument that a D&T job on said S&W will lower its value by $100. It baffles me that people will go buy a $30,000 car that will have to be replaced in five years but are not willing to give up $100 in a firearm's value to be able to use it as they wish over a lifetime of use. Seriously, if a hundred bucks keeps you from enjoying life, I pity you.

Bearing in mind that if the sixgun were pristine and in its original box, I would be in agreement. Though I would hold the position that folks should do as they wish with their own property.

There is collector interest (including those who just collect to shoot) for ALL the pinned and recessed S&Ws these days, and its getting bigger for certain models faster than others.

There is interest but not necessarily collector interest. I just bought what would've been a very nice model 27 for well under $400 from a local shop. That is, had it not some rust freckles on it. Shop owner is a young guy who always double-checks values against completed auctions and knows what this stuff is worth. Would I have offered $50-$100 less had it been professionally drilled & tapped? Of course not. Seriously, we're not talking about an old pre-`64 Winchester with a funky side mount. Or an old Ruger flat-top with three holes drilled right in the topstrap. We're talking about holes in a S&W's rear sight channel that will be completely hidden whether the scope mount or rear sight is in place. A S&W, I might reiterate, that will be used for hunting.


Words of wisdom here:
"Its important to buy, shoot, learn about, and appreciate what YOU like. I have little regard for other's tastes because I will buy what I like, and they will buy what they like, and so we don't have to agree on what makes a fine handgun. You have to be your own person, and you have to be your own collector and or shooter."

 

[Winchester_73]

Please, your handle is Winchester `73 and mine is newfrontier45. Which is a reference to the Colt New Frontier .45Colt. Do not insult my intelligence and presume to tell me that old guns hold no special appeal. Do not tell me that there is NO reason to hunt with an old nickeled 29 over a new 629.

I didn't say they had no appeal, but who cares about APPEAL when HUNTING comes into play? If the OP wants a stone cold shooter, there are better options as I attempted to explain. In hunting, you don't get points for style.

Our "handles" have little in common, as your gun came out much later, 1961 to be exact. My gun is a reference to an iconic firearm. Your handle is more an homage to a 2nd generation, later made variation of the SAA. The "New Frontier" is a more modern copy of the very rare flat top target 1st gen SAA. The original "frontier" model was in 44-40 aka 44 wcf. There is a big difference between your handle and mine. Yours is more contemporary, but there is nothing wrong with that.

There is interest but not necessarily collector interest. I just bought what would've been a very nice model 27 for well under $400 from a local shop. That is, had it not some rust freckles on it. Shop owner is a young guy who always double-checks values against completed auctions and knows what this stuff is worth.

Do you live under a rock or something? People pay MORE for P&R guns in the same condition, finish etc and its been that way for some time. Many people do collect them for various reasons. Ever visit the S&W forum? Obviously not, but that's a good place to learn things. So you got it for $400, what are you trying to say? That was probably on the low side and the seller priced it that way so it would sell, and you proved him right. He did not get the last dollar out of that gun. It was probably a smart purchase on your part.

A S&W, I might reiterate, that will be used for hunting.

Show me where the OP or anyone suggested hunting with this 29-2 after drilling? I explained why this is not worthwhile already.

I thought this thread was about hunting with a model 29, not making a living off buying and selling guns. Believe it or not, there are many of us who do not do this to make or save money. We do it to SPEND money.

When we spend our money at the store, on a new car, for clothes etc, we use common sense. Why not use common sense with gun purchases? I pointed out the smartest financial move for the OP. I didn't tell him to care about the money, I just had to assume he would. The more you save, then the more money you have, then the more you can buy. That's how I see this all.

Condescension duly noted. Thanks for the lesson, I would treat you to a lesson in etiquette and manners but I believe it would be a wasted trip. Once again, I would suggest you refrain from making any assumptions about me, my knowledge, experience or grasp of the English language.

I got frustrated and came off the wrong way. I don't think you are giving the OP anything worth while to consider and lost my cool about it. Many people would say that since its a free country, you can post what you want and that I should not mind it. We don't have to agree about anything here on the TFL but I could have been more respectful. No offense meant.

I'm not sure why you quoted me from another thread. I stand by that statement but in this context, it was more about dollars and cents than personal opinion and my posts reflect that. Market value, demand, etc is factual while personal values and thoughts about modifications is an opinion. Your opinion of little to none to perhaps a positive effect on the value, is a MINORITY opinion on this firearm and when talking value, that is important to consider. The chief issue is what the MAJORITY opinion is for any particular aspect of the gun's value.

 

[newfrontier45]

I didn't say they had no appeal, but who cares about APPEAL when HUNTING comes into play?

Virtually every hunter who goes afield with something other than a stainless steel, synthetic stocked rifle. Including those who use leverguns, traditional bolt guns, traditional muzzleloaders, flintlocks, virtually anything blued steel and walnut. If that point is lost on you, then I am clearly wasting my keystrokes. Here's a hint, I own ZERO soulless hunting tools.

Do you live under a rock or something?.....Ever visit the S&W forum? Obviously not, but that's a good place to learn things.

If you are going to continue to insult me, my intelligence, knowledge and experience with diatribe like that, you can finish this discussion all by yourself. I particularly appreciate being talked down to by someone who says their first handgun was a Ruger MKIII, which was first introduced in 2004. Wow, you have become quite the expert in 8 short years. According to my spreadsheet, I owned 54 guns by the end of 2004. No, this ain't a measuring contest but you are NOT going to continue talking to me like I'm an idiot.

Our "handles" have little in common...

Our handles prove that we have an affinity for traditional firearms. Period. Yes, thanks for the history lesson and once again assuming that you're talking to an imbecile.

I don't think you are giving the OP anything worth while to consider and lost my cool about it.

That is not for you to decide.

 

[Winchester_73]

I didn't mean to be insulting. I don't think I'm talking to an imbecile, I just felt originally I was talking to someone who didn't have a firm grasp of the OPs issue and solution. Maybe I'm wrong about that. You're not stupid, we just know different things. As I said, we don't have to agree.

I explained about the history of the new frontier because I couldn't know that you knew it. And even so, anyone could read this thread where you put the New Frontier and the Winchester 73 in the same sentence which is a bit of a stretch IMO. However, you explained your reasoning and that's fine.

The under the rock statement wasn't meant to be insulting, I was simply saying that the collector interest in P&R guns is very well known and obvious when you consider the sales of these guns. I thought everyone was aware of that. Are they as sought after as Lugers or Winchester 73s, well no, but are they popularly collected because they are affordable and common? Yes they are. They are a more modern collectible firearm kind of like the post war DA Colt revolvers although the DA Colt revolvers are usually more valuable and more sought after by many.

 

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and, we're done.
closed.