Drill and Tap a 29-2?

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First things first: Hello and it has been a long time since I've been on the site.


I just purchased a Smith and Wesson 29-2 nickle .44 mag with a 6" barrel. I would really like to put my Leupold Deltapoint reflex sight on it. I have the Leupold mounts that fit the Smith and Wesson N frame. There needs to be one hole drilled and tapped where the factory rear sight mounts. Will this cause a decrease in value in the gun? I don't want to drill and tap for the normal Weaver type base because it involves drilling and tapping two holes in the top strap in a very conspicuous location, but since this will be in the factory rear sight channel, I'm more inclined to think it will be ok. Opinions, please. Thank you.
 
Mounted a 2X Leupold stainless scope on my Model 629 with 83/8 inch barrel.Took a eight point buck the first year with it at a 100 yards. Go for it.
 
Small modifications such as this one have a much more negative effect if you represent the gun as a high-condition collector's piece that has been never been fired or has been fired very little. If the gun is a "shooter" that has seen extensive use and has some wear from being fired and taken into the field, the effect is much less pronounced. Since it sounds like you intend to use this gun, it will fall into the latter category.

FWIW the M29-2 is one of the most common N frame Smiths, and high-condition examples are common, due to a large number of guns that were purchased simply because of Dirty Harry-induced hype and seldom (or never) fired. :rolleyes:

IOW this gun really isn't that rare, and it's unlikely that a knowledgeable collector is going to accuse you of blasphemy for firing such a piece. I say drill and tap away. :D
 
look for a "no-drill" mount and rings first. if you aren't satisfied with those options trade for a M-29 that is already tapped for a scope. I don't know exactly when the factory started the drilling.
 
I'm with carguychris on this one ....I don't think its that big a deal ...especially as you describe it...

...Nickel finished mod 29-2's ...are not rare / but they are not that common either...especially with a lot of guys looking for -2's....for their collections/ or as preferred additions.

None of the guns I buy ...and I don't care if they're a $ 500 used gun ...or a new Freedom Arms SAA I'm paying $ 3,200 for ...they all get shot ...and they got shot a lot ...that's what I buy them for ( and even if I pick up an old New In Box, Unfired - like I did on a S&W Mod 66 a yr or so ago ...I took it home and cleaned it, and promptly took it to the range to put a couple of boxes thru it...

Now I will also tell you ...that I have no idea / why you'd want a scope on that gun...but its your gun / you should do what you want with it ...mount a skope, change grips, shoot it ...draw it from a holster 10,000 times ..and enjoy every minute of it .....and if you want to sell it someday, disclose everything you did to it --- to the next buyer ! Will it hurt the value to a "shooter" ...maybe, maybe not .....to a purist collector - yes, almost certainly ....to a "shooter - collector" like me, only if its abused or not taken care of ....

If you bought it for an investment --- put it away as is.

If you bought it to shoot ...then do what you want...
 
IMHO, you're far better off drilling & tapping in the factory pattern, under the rear sight, than any no-drill mount that clamps to the frame and may mar the finish.
 
I would not drill and tap the frame on any S&W from the "pinned and recessed" era. Any collector value goes out the door with any modification to the frame or barrel. Collectors want unmodified guns. The nickel-finished Model 29's are somewhat more rare than blued ones, so they would bring a slight premium over the blued models. If you have the presentation case, original stocks, etc., it adds to the value.

If you're hide bound to have a scoped S&W .44 Magnum, get a newer one and modify it. Model 29's built after 1993 (Model 29-6, and later), are drilled and tapped for scope mounts at the factory.
 
Collectors want unmodified guns.
What collectors want doesn't even enter into my thought process. I wouldn't deny myself the pleasure of hunting with a nice older model 29 for the benefit of future collectors. I will oblige them to find their own.
 
Your gun, your choice. Lot of 29-2's out there, unless it's LNIB I say go for it.

For serious pistol hunting I would use a Ruger and heavier loads than the 29 can digest on a regular basis. The loads I use in my two scoped Rugers well rattle the screws loose in my 29's.YMMV
 
Thanks for the opinions guys. The gun is not in collector's condition. The nickle is "rubbed" (like someone tried to polish it) in one spot on the side. It also has an old Pachmayer grip on it. I do intend to shoot it, but not full house loads all the time. The trigger is phenomenal compared to the Rugers I have and had. It cost me about the same as a used Redhawk (which are scarce as hens teeth around here). I think I'll hold off on drilling it for now. I'll try the irons and see how I do!
 
newfrontier45 wrote -
What collectors want doesn't even enter into my thought process. I wouldn't deny myself the pleasure of hunting with a nice older model 29 for the benefit of future collectors. I will oblige them to find their own.

What you would or would not deny yourself isn't germaine to the discussion.

The OP asked -
Will this cause a decrease in value in the gun?

The fact is, that drilling the frame of a revolver will decrease the value of the revolver. A collector will certainly never consider a purchase of an altered revolver. Modified frames, regardless the reason, move the value from collector grade (potentially), to shooter grade, or worse.

If a revolver is a shooter grade, and that is what the owner considers it, then all bets are off. I've seen a lot of shooter grade revolvers, and I own a few, but for collecting, no alterations.
 
Whatever value the OP puts on hunting with the sixgun in question IS germaine to the discussion. It's not a collectible and any rhetoric about its collectibility is not germaine to the discussion. It's a shooter and few shooters will hold the extra holes in the rear sight channel against it. Few would even check.
 
Actually the collector's value is germaine to the discussion, as the OP asked about if drilling & tapping an extra hole would affect the value of his gun.

And that includes any and all collector interest and valuation.

The short answer is, that yes, drilling the hole will affect the value of the gun. Now, how much, and is it significant, is another matter.

Collectors want pristine examples. They pay the most for those. After that comes those in unaltered condition with finish wear. Then, further down the value scale (to a collector) are those that have been altered.

To a collector, a gun with a great finish but extra holes in it is usually worth less than one with a worn finish (honest wear) without modifications.

That being said, will it make a difference in the street price of a used "shooter"? maybe a little, if its obvious, and a lot, if its poorly done.

Its your gun, do what you want, and don't worry over much about the loss of value, it might even be 15%, (to a collector, and likely not that much) but its not like it makes the gun valueless.

Gun "value" is two things, first the value to you in utility, and second its value in dollars when sold. The former, only you can put a price on. The latter, only matters when you actually go to sell the gun! If you aren't selling, then who cares?
 
Sorry but there's nothing collectible about a well used 29-2, with no box, no papers, no factory grips and in the described condition...

"The gun is not in collector's condition. The nickle is "rubbed" (like someone tried to polish it) in one spot on the side. It also has an old Pachmayer grip on it. I do intend to shoot it, but not full house loads all the time."

Its value is as a shooter. In which case, drilling & tapping in the later factory manner will not decrease its value. It may even increase it, to the right buyer. Anybody ever sold an older S&W that had been drilled and tapped in the factory manner, under the rear sight? I have.
 
A lot of BS in this thread

Sorry but there's nothing collectible about a well used 29-2, with no box, no papers, no factory grips and in the described condition...

The OP has not provided pics, so we don't know how bad the "rub" is. The OP never said the gun was "well used". So it has a rub, and rubber grips and its not a collectors item? But you say you don't collect, right? So you then don't know what you're talking about. If you're a shooter, talk about shooting. Talk about what you know about.

There are 3 factors that determine a gun's value, and its NOT CONDITION CONDITION CONDITION, its condition, rarity and demand. The gun has IMO above average condition, esp if the OP bought a pair of correct wood grips, it scores low on rarity as others have said BUT it scores high on demand. If the OP put a pair of original grips on it, and maybe cleaned it some, its easily a $600 gun if original nickel (will have a "N" stamping on the rear face of the cyinder, and on the LEFT grip frame, underneath the grips). While tapping it is not necessarily blasphemy, its not wise from a financial stand point. You can "shoot every damn gun" you have, and be smart about it at the same time.

The wise choice here is to find a pair of correct wood S&W grips, and sell the gun. The reason being that the grips aren't hard to find, and will add to the value of the gun. Drilling it would cost some money, and would tank the value of the gun. On top of that, 29-2s are not the most durable 29s. For your purposes, I would look at a nice used 629 Classic DX. You get the S&W trigger, stronger constructions WITH the durability of SS AND IIRC nearly all 629 DXs are factory tapped. Its a win-win. They're not a high demand gun either. Perhaps someone would trade you even up because many people long for the P&R guns.

Its value is as a shooter. In which case, drilling & tapping in the later factory manner will not decrease its value. It may even increase it, to the right buyer.

The problem with your statement is that people who shoot these a lot often don't buy the older 29-2s and earlier guns. They buy either a 629 or a newer 29 for shooting. There is no way that the tapping would increase the value, because the guy who would look at it after its tapped would not pay the guns value + the tapping charge. You would be lucky to get retail for a 29-2 with it having holes in it. A perspective buyer would want a fair price for the gun, meaning you ate the price of the tapping and probably more. He also may negotiate down since its not original even if he wants a shooter because that will save him money even though he doesn't actually care about the collectibility. The market for a drilled and tapped 29 is extremely soft, with no demand at all. Shooters want later, collectors want original and a lot of times great condition.

Just because you want to shoot doesn't mean you have to also make stupid financial choices as some would have you believe. Tapping the gun for shooting is not worth the time or the money at all. Right now, some guy out there wants it and will pay for it, esp if you get the right grips. Let him have it for the most you can get, and then buy something like a 629 DX and you will be happy.

29-2s are special to a lot of guys, let one of those guys pay for yours. That's what I would do.

Here is mine, and yes, it is a collector's item despite not having a box or papers.

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You would be lucky to get retail for a 29-2 with it having holes in it.
Nonsense. You would be very unlucky for a prospective buyer to even notice the holes. Let alone hold it against it. No shooter, yes we shooters do buy older guns :rolleyes: is going to hold it against it. So what if you have to eat the cost of drilling & tapping. It baffles me the way folks want to be able to buy and sell guns without ever having to lose a nickel in the process. If "I" wanted to hunt with my nickeled 29-2, you would have a snowball's chance in hell of convincing me to sell it in favor of a new soulless 629. Please.


They're not a high demand gun either.
More nonsense. You'll pay a lot more for a nice DX than you'll ever get out of a well-used 29.


29-2s are special to a lot of guys, let one of those guys pay for yours.
It blows my mind the condescending and elitist atttitude of some collectors. Newsflash, YOUR purpose is no more or less noble than that of a shooter's. Who are YOU to impose your beliefs on another? Who are YOU to say that someone's property would be better in the care of another? Let "him" go find his own.
 
They're not a high demand gun either.
More nonsense. You'll pay a lot more for a nice DX than you'll ever get out of a well-used 29.

The gun is not well used. Its probably a hair less than mine. It has a "rub" and we don't even know the size of it. You are ASSUMING its well used, there is nothing to support that. I bet its a nice a gun.

Also, know what you're talking about before you debate with me. A NIB 629 DX just closed for $710 on gunbroker meaning it SOLD for that. There was another in the box very lightly used that SOLD for $675. As a shooter, knowing prices and the market is not your cup of tea. Making assumptions does not help anyone. FACTS are helpful.

It baffles me the way folks want to be able to buy and sell guns without ever having to lose a nickel in the process. If "I" wanted to hunt with my nickeled 29-2, you would have a snowball's chance in hell of convincing me to sell it in favor of a new soulless 629. Please.

When you know what you're doing, its easy to buy and sell for profit. The hard part is knowing what you're doing. Some don't care about that, but its far from impossible. I rarely take losses myself and I don't have a store front.

There is NO reason to hunt with a nickel 29 over a SS gun. The "soul" will not make your hunt successful nor the gun a better shooter. Buying guns because of their "look" is not usually wise. The 629 is a way better choice because it will handle more use with a more durable composition.

29-2s are special to a lot of guys, let one of those guys pay for yours.
It blows my mind the condescending and elitist atttitude of some collectors. Newsflash, YOUR purpose is no more or less noble than that of a shooter's. Who are YOU to impose your beliefs on another? Who are YOU to say that someone's property would be better in the care of another? Let "him" go find his own.

You took it as condescending because you can't understand English. I was merely saying, that someone else would pay more for the gun than the OP thinks its worth so perhaps FINANCIALLY he should sell it. There is nothing wrong with not appreciating a 29-2 but my God, at least get $$$ from those that do. I was merely telling the OP to seize the opportunity and he will most likely in the end be happy. In the same way, I think Pythons are over rated, but will I buy one for an investment? ABSOLUTELY because I am out numbered by the people who will trade their first born for a Python. When in Rome...as the old saying goes.

You read too much into things, post stuff that's not accurate and outright FALSE then argue with people who know what they're talking about such as myself. I don't claim to be a shooter, but I buy and sell guns a lot and so this is what I know. Shooting is what you know. Just because this is online doesn't mean your posts don't have to be well thought out. Remember, the preferred order is THINK, then POST. Thanks
 
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