Double stack Kahr 40?

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Eric Larsen

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This is my wish list. Not a real gun as of yet. I know it will make the grip wider, but not much....
My thought is widen the gun by .100" at the grip and about 1/2"
longer and increase your capacity by 2...total 8+1 .......
It would only be an inch wide and still be small enough in the grip to conceal well......Whats your take on this....? :cool:

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Modify it to take the Mec-Gar magazines like those used in Kel-Tec P11s and P40s (also S&W mags), and you'd have what you want without having to add the 1/2" grip length. A few more rounds capacity would persuade me to buy a Kahr....
 
Kahr's achieved admirable success producing the world's slimest, most compact pistols available in 9mm and 40s&w. They're alone in the niche they created. Being alone is one of the reasons for the afore mentioned admirable success.

Now, bulk up a Kahr for the sake of a few rounds and you've introduced equal ground competition with an industry powerhouse. Glock. I see no reason Kahr officers would choose that fight. Now, should Glock introduce 9mm and 40s&w sub-sub-compacts, I could see the wisdom of grabing whatever market share they can. For now, at least, that's a pure hypothetical.
 
Erik,

Yes, but Glocks are ugly! I'd love to see the competition! We'd end up with more capable Kahrs and prettier Glocks. I'd go for both!

Seriously, as Kahr and Taurus have shown, polymer frames don't (yet) do that well on compacts. (Kel-Tec uses an aluminum frame in a polymer grip.) To get Glocks into the same compact form factor would require thinning the cross sections, which would endanger legendary Glock reliability. Glock doesn't make steel guns, Kahr does. Advantage: Kahr.

I'd also like to see Taurus come out with hybrid polymer pistols that use aluminum or steel frames like Kel-Tec's ingenious design. Bet I won't have to wait as long for that!
 
KS, I agree with you..but if it can go from .900" to 1.000" and carry more ammo. IMO, its a worth while trade indeed.

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IMHO, I think everyone is expanding the Kahrs in the wrong direction. What I would like to see is a "full-size" model, with a 5" barrel and slightly longer, not wider grip. Ideally, a .45 model built around the 1911 8-round mag would be nice too, evrn though it would be a little wider. I see a 5" 11 shot Kahr 9mm as a prefect IDPA SSP gun, maybe with adjustable sights. Anybody else think this might be fun to have?

DanO
 
I doubt you'd ever see a double-stack Kahr K model, but the P model would be a prime candidate!

Reasoning:

The K model already has (for a lot of folks) the PERFECT fit in the hand. The P models (for most) are a tad on the too-slim side.

If you made the polymer Kahrs to accept a SLIGHTLY double-stacked mag (slightly as in like the USP Compact over a USP) then you would theoretically also beef up the polymer frame by making it a bit more stout, you'd reduce felt recoil by increasing surface area, and the whole thing would STILL be slimmer than any Glock. I believe that would take the P model closer in feel to the K model...

Yes Eric, we can dream....
 
Beef up a K40 by the amount you're talking and what have you got?

A Sig 239!

I think you'd have to make it quite a bit fatter to squeeze in 10 rds. Just my 2¢.

If they could do it, though, I'd fork over the dough in an instant.
 
Double stack K40? That would be a Glock 23.

I love my 3 Kahrs. What I particularly love about them is that they are thin. If I wanted a fat little booger, I'd get another Glock (already have 2).

M1911
 
I've always wanted a service sized Kahr in steel. Maybe 4-1/8" barrel.
Single stack lengthened enough for one more round. Schweeeet.
 
The plastic version would be the way to go. The grip could be made as large as the steel frame gun and get an extra round or two. Only thing is that Kahr does not want to end up with a Glock clone. I would like to see a Kahr in .45 acp. Direct competition with the G36, but I think that it would be a big seller.
 
"I see a 5" 11 shot Kahr 9mm as a prefect IDPA SSP gun, maybe with adjustable sights. Anybody else think this might be fun to have?"

No, their trigger is lawyer proofed for CC, not rapid fire target shooting.

Kahrs are heavy, have a snappy recoil given their weight, and have long heavy triggers. I find their backstrap uncomfortable while shooting as well.

They look good though. Which is my guess why they are so popular. I wouldn't mind owning one for looks alone.

But for comfortable and serious, not stylish carry ? Give me a Glock or a snubbie.
 
Just a note..
The Kahr is heavy because its a well made steel gun, even if it is small. If it wasnt, the recoil would be worse. The trigger pull on the 6 I have shot have all been very light and smooth, especially for a DAO trigger. It is the best carry gun, IMO even better than a Glock. They are to thick and stubby to be concealable, especially when compared to the Kahr. I also carry a snubbie and like it. Nothing like a light and small .357 mag.

What the hell is wrong with throwing out a question of curiosity and design? A little closed minded maybe? :rolleyes:
Oh....ok. You are the guy who posted on the CZ forum that those guns are OVERRATED....Ya, OK! That explains everything....:eek:


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"No, their trigger is lawyer proofed for CC, not rapid fire target shooting."

You asked a question, I gave you an answer. Sorry if it upset you. I don't have a clue what your question had to do with CZ's.
 
I posed a question about fixing the only negative characteristic
on the Kahr gun...IMO its the qty of ammo. The amount of rounds
available is very similar to a wheel gun and wanted to seperate the two....hypothetically. Thus the question.

I guess I owe you an apology..you were responding to other posts on this thread ...who just took the original question to
an new level.

What I didnt like was a "general" negative note regarding the only thing Kahr's have going for them is there looks. It struck
me the wrong way..I simply disagree with you.

The CZ comment came from the forum and is a whole new issue
Any comment here is out of place...so sorry again. Even though
I disagree with you even more on that one. Bad timing...

The entire thread was started, as to set a difference with the Kahrs ammo capacity...IMO its biggest "weakness" .....

Shoot well
 
I think Kahr made a significant design error in making their pistols single-stack. Granted, they are still nice-looking, popular, and apparently very good pistols. But I don't think there is a GOOD reason they couldn't hold more rounds and still be plenty thin and compact. My Kel-Tec P11 holds 10 rounds in the magazine and I wouldn't want it any thinner. The Kel-Tec's magazine well/grip is thin plastic that fits very closely around the thin-walled steel magazine.

Obviously Kahr pistols are pretty popular, but I don't think that's proof that they are perfect - or haven't lost sales due to unnecessarily low capacity. I would almost certainly buy one of the polymer-framed .40 S&W Kahr's if it held a few more rounds in the magazine. I have a Kel-Tec P40 (now discontinued) that holds 11 rounds (with a small finger extension installed). Unfortunately, it doesn't work reliably - but I think I'll keep working with the Kel-tec for awhile because I hate to switch to Kahr and pay a lot more to get several rounds less capacity in a heavier pistol. If the Kahr used, for example, the Kel-tec mags, I'd almost certainly buy one.

Doug
 
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