Don't flame me...too much for being a moron with a 12 gauge?
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I have shot 100's of rounds through a PGO with decent accuracy without ever feeling the need to place it in front of my face. Birdshot load both heavy and light, slugs, and full power 00 Buck. But, thats just me.
If you are unwilling or incapable of learning to shoot them properly, you certainly should not...pretty much like any firearm.
If you are unwilling or incapable of learning to shoot them properly, you certainly should not...pretty much like any firearm.
amd, Yer cordially invited to bring that gun and hang out a spell...
The things I could learn and the things you may learn would be worth it.
You can show me the accuracy drills and I will show you retention drills...
You can show me how to pick off cans at 40 yards from the hip or whatever and I can show you a versatility in firing positions...
You show me your ability with the PGO gun and I will show you emergency failure to cycle issues...
I will show you what I learned with the mossberg in general over the years... I will show you an OEM PGO off (operative word; OFF) a 20+ year old 500.
I have way over a thousand round rounds with the PGO grip over the years... My 20 gauge and several 12's have worn it. Buddies borrow it and return it.
The PGO has a fun factor and whackin' yer mouth is not required but easy to do.
It does absolutely nothing better than a regular stock equipped gun...
Before you say "pack in a backpack"... Keep in mind I own plenty of 9-10 inch screwdrivers and even a 10" 1/2" nut driver...
But as far as the face smack...
I always heard that...
"PAIN is just STUPIDITY leaving the body!"
Brent
The things I could learn and the things you may learn would be worth it.
You can show me the accuracy drills and I will show you retention drills...
You can show me how to pick off cans at 40 yards from the hip or whatever and I can show you a versatility in firing positions...
You show me your ability with the PGO gun and I will show you emergency failure to cycle issues...
I will show you what I learned with the mossberg in general over the years... I will show you an OEM PGO off (operative word; OFF) a 20+ year old 500.
I have way over a thousand round rounds with the PGO grip over the years... My 20 gauge and several 12's have worn it. Buddies borrow it and return it.
The PGO has a fun factor and whackin' yer mouth is not required but easy to do.
It does absolutely nothing better than a regular stock equipped gun...
Before you say "pack in a backpack"... Keep in mind I own plenty of 9-10 inch screwdrivers and even a 10" 1/2" nut driver...
But as far as the face smack...
I always heard that...
"PAIN is just STUPIDITY leaving the body!"
Brent
I dont use my PGO for "picking off cans at 40yds", though I have shot slugs and buckshot out to 25yds. No problem centerpunching the silouette target.
My PGO is intended for use at 10 to 20 FEET. It is kept in my house in an excellent hideyhole which will not a accomodate a full stock, or even a folder.
BTW, I tried several folders in my youth, and found I didnt like any of them. Some of the new one look interesting, but I just dont have the funds to expiriment like I used to.
The Mossberg OEM pistol grip is poorly designed, no doubt. I have also tried the Choate AR-style grip, which was even worse (it was on a friends PGO), and the Pachmayr Vindicator, which worked OK. But, after these trials, I have settled on the speedfeed birdshead style grip, which, unless you have tried it, you really cant comment on. It is far superior in recoil control and pointability. Shooting it is nearly identical in feel to a standard sporting shotgun fired from the hip. Plus it has the advatage of giving full normal access to the Mossberg top mounted safety.
My PGO is not my only shotgun, nor would I recommend that a PGO be ones only shotgun.
The shotgun is a tertiary weapon for me. A handgun would most likely be in my hand for a bump in the night, and I much prefer an M1 carbine for my HD longarm.
Again, if you are unwilling or unable to learn the proper technique to use a PGO, you shouldnt...you might hurt yourself, like the OP. But they are excellent close range weapons which have been used effectively since the days of the blunderbuss.
My PGO is intended for use at 10 to 20 FEET. It is kept in my house in an excellent hideyhole which will not a accomodate a full stock, or even a folder.
BTW, I tried several folders in my youth, and found I didnt like any of them. Some of the new one look interesting, but I just dont have the funds to expiriment like I used to.
The Mossberg OEM pistol grip is poorly designed, no doubt. I have also tried the Choate AR-style grip, which was even worse (it was on a friends PGO), and the Pachmayr Vindicator, which worked OK. But, after these trials, I have settled on the speedfeed birdshead style grip, which, unless you have tried it, you really cant comment on. It is far superior in recoil control and pointability. Shooting it is nearly identical in feel to a standard sporting shotgun fired from the hip. Plus it has the advatage of giving full normal access to the Mossberg top mounted safety.
My PGO is not my only shotgun, nor would I recommend that a PGO be ones only shotgun.
The shotgun is a tertiary weapon for me. A handgun would most likely be in my hand for a bump in the night, and I much prefer an M1 carbine for my HD longarm.
Again, if you are unwilling or unable to learn the proper technique to use a PGO, you shouldnt...you might hurt yourself, like the OP. But they are excellent close range weapons which have been used effectively since the days of the blunderbuss.
anonymousFolk
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Loaded a shell backwards at sporting clays yesterday
After beating the butt of the stock off a 4x4 a few times, got it out.
In other words, these things happen to everyone!
After beating the butt of the stock off a 4x4 a few times, got it out.
In other words, these things happen to everyone!
Glenn E. Meyer
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Friend of mine was shooting a pump in a military and police match. Had to shoot under a car for whatever scenario reason. Didn't place the stock firmly against his shoulder in the contorted position. Boom, dislocated his collar bone.
Got a friend with the scarlet crescent of the Scope God. Another with the hole in the leg from the draw with some crappy holster.
Oh, well - other guys fall on their noggin from their midlife crisis Harley. Got those friends also.
Got a friend with the scarlet crescent of the Scope God. Another with the hole in the leg from the draw with some crappy holster.
Oh, well - other guys fall on their noggin from their midlife crisis Harley. Got those friends also.
I was squirrel hunting when I was 12 with a Winchester 1887. Hammer cocked finger on trigger walking through the woods looking up into trees with the butt planted on hip bone and muzzle aimed skyward. Yep, tripped over a root, pulled trigger. Man did that ever hurt. Hip bones are not designed to withstand the recoil of a 12 gauge with a steel recoil pad.
I have an old JC Higgins model 20 in 12 gauge that I shoot often. It's been shortend to 18 1/2" on the barrel and has the pistol grip. Since it's so old and chambered for 2 3/4" shells, I don't get too carried away on loads. If I use Game Loads, I can shoot it all day long and it's a lot of fun shooting from the hip. I can see how loading it with Buck Shot would make life miserable and wouldn't even try it.
Jeremiah/Az
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No flame, but stockless shotguns are mall ninja stuff. Might look kool to a banger, but useless. Glad you weren't hurt worse. I saw a video where a guy let his girlfriend shoot one with about the same effect! 