DON'T CARRY in HERE.....OHIO

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SOSARMS

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All of us in Ohio, and a lot of you in other states, know that concealed carry in OH just became effective in 2004. At that time, the news stations, law enforcement agencies pushed the display of the familiar " Don't carry in here" signs on their doors.....they are everywhere!!! In my little community, approx 80% of all businesses display this. Is this normal for you guys that have been in effect for more years, or am i just more conscious of businesses in Ohio where i carry ?? If i were to boycott these stores, i would not eat....have clothes to wear....or videos to rent...
Are all states this way ??
 
I see signs like that here in about 10% of the stores and places I go. I ignore them. You can be charged with tresspassing if you are asked to leave and don't. Since I am carrying concealed no one ever knows so it's not an issue. I prett much operate on a policy of; if they don't have metal detectors then I'm carrying anyway. Since stores don't have courthouse security measures then I don't worry about it.
 
...Not In Virginia

Since I've been carrying, I keep an eye out for the "Signs". I can count on one hand the number of "No Guns" signs I've seen. I think that when Virginia became a shall issue state, which only deals with CCW, there was not a real amount of attention to this issue. We did not have a push for the signs by Law Enforcement like SOSARMS mentioned, in Ohio. Open carry in the Commonwealth is a non issue too, thanks to groups like Virginia Citizens Defense League (VCDL). My 2 cents worth...
 
SOSARMS,

This depends heavily on your particular location and how local LEO feels about it.

I work in one of the major cities in Ohio, and live just outside of it. Whilst there are a very limited number of places where I work that have posted, mostly Schools and churches, the local shops don't. Where I live, about the only place I can not go into is the post office and court house. The court house even provide you with lockers where you can store your handgun whilst you conduct your business.

I have been told that in certain locations, local LEO were going around handing out signs to business, telling them it was mandated by law to post. This was in the early days of 2004. Most stores complied as they were uneducated and confused about the whole mess.

I would suggest you visit http://www.ohioccw.org/index.php?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=77 Ohioans for conceal carry, they have cards and other educational information that you may want to forward to the businesses in your location.
 
Even in the suburbs of Columbus, very few businesses are posted and several have been convinced by Ohioans for Concealed Carry to remove their signs. OFCC maintains a list of "do not patronize while carrying" sites.

In Grove City, the only places I would go or have gone that are posted are the liquor store (how stupid is that, to post 'no guns' at a liquor store?) and the Firestone tire place. I don't go to either place. I have told the proprietors of both places why I don't go there. They both just gave me a dumb look.:rolleyes:

The difficult part is when the entire property is posted like down at the outlet centers in Jeffersonville.

The rest stops on the highway are posted but that is only for inside the buildings, according to my understanding.
 
Ohio will come around eventually, just like every other state.
When Texas first started licensing, businesses EVERYWHERE put up regulatory signs prohibiting legal carrying.
What happened was that people stopped frequenting places where they couldn't carry - and businesses eventually realized that it wasn't the licensed carriers they had to worry about. Now we see very few signs prohibiting legal concealed carry.
You guys are still new - give it some time :)
 
Ohio will come around eventually, just like every other state.
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The difficult part is when the entire property is posted like down at the outlet centers in Jeffersonville.
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(I hope I'm wrong,, but) I kind of doubt Ohio will come around like the other states.
Ohio could almost be renamed Metzenbaumia.
Ex Senator Howard Metzenbaum owns huge chunks of real estate.
Many of the stores and shopping centers are built on properties he owns.
Metzenbaum's rabidly anti gun.

To make matters worse, what Metzenbaum doesn't own, Charles A. Ratner (Forest City Enterprises) - another rabid anti gunner - probably owns.
 
I have yet to see a single "no guns" sign at a store in Indiana. Sports venues and many government buildings are posted (not the Statehouse except the House and Senate chambers, nor any License Branch) as are a few of the lefty churches (What was my last straw with the Unitarians? Guess!) but that's about it. Such signs at a private business in Indiana actually mean "We'd better not know you are armed," as all they can do is ask you to leave; unlike Ohio and Texas, we haven't any signage law about carrying. (We're Hoosiers, we'd have too much trouble figuring such things out -- and hooray for that!)

I'd suggest you boycott Ohio stores and such that want to render you defenseless, not just while carrying but all the time; and be sure to write them a nice letter explaining why you will no longer do business with them.

I try to avoid visiting OH and IL altogether, as neither state has a moral or Constitutional attitude towards the right to self-defense. I don't care to travel places that require me to become a disarmed victim. Such states are little more than thugocracies, no matter what their rulers may claim.
 
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"If i were to boycott these stores, i would not eat....have clothes to wear....or videos to rent..."

The internet can provide all that you need, from Amazon Groceries to Netflicks.

Just be sure to let your local merchants know, in writing, that you're taking your business elsewhere.

Also be sure to let your gun owning friends know to do the same thing.

When CCW first became shall issue in Virginia in the mid 1990s a number of stores, including Blockbuster, posted signs. Concerted campaigns by gunowners got virtually all of them taken down.

Some banks are still posted, but since I deal only with credit unions, I don't have to put up with that kind of crap.
 
Here in El Paso I've seen great signs in front of businesses encourageing legal CCW. If you, or someone you know owns a business you might put one up, might help change peoples perception.
 
Texas has it right. While you can be asked to leave and charged with trespassing if you don't do so, the only way that you can be automatically charged with carrying in a posted business is if they have clearly posted a sign that has, in letters not less than one inch high that contrast with the background, the entirety of the following:
"PURSUANT TO SECTION 30.06, PENAL CODE (TRESPASS BY HOLDER OF A LICENSE TO CARRY A CONCEALED HANDGUN) A PERSON LICENSED UNDER SUBCHAPTER H, CHAPTER 411, GOVERNMENT CODE (CONCEALED HANDGUN LAW), MAY NOT ENTER THIS PROPERTY WITH A CONCEALED HANDGUN."

"CONFORME A LA SECCIÓN 30.06 DEL CÔDIGO PENAL (TRASPASAR PORTANDO ARMAS DE FUEGO) PERSONAS CON LICENCIA BAJO DEL SUB-CAPITULO H, CAPITULO 411, CODIGO DE GOBIERNO (LEY DE PORTAR ARMAS), NO DEBEN ENTRAR A ESTA PROPIEDAD PORTANDO UN ARMA DE FUEGO."
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Note the excellent (and easy to remember) section of the Texas Penal Code this is found in. :)
 
Yoma....

Trust me.........in 2 yrs when i retire, i'm looking for a place somewhere South, with lots of trees, running stream, hills, and some good ole gunfriendly people.......:)
 
That is a great section, Longpath. Let them know you will not spend your money there. That is often enough to get things changed then and there. If it is not, the next town over can't be that far.
 
Theres some of that mess in NC. I just focus on the concealed part of CCW. Grandma used to say, "What the eye dosen't see, the heart doesn't grieve over." So don't scare the horses, and of course, always obey all your local laws. Regards 18DAI.
 
IMO, Long Path, Texas has it way, way wrong. Concealed is concealed! What's next, laws that specify the proper language for signs retailers may use to regulate the nature and style of your underwear? ...After all, the very thought of some salaciously-cut lacy item from Victoria's Secret on one's customers might prove to be too much for a sufficiently dogwhistle storekeeper!

The Second Amendment says "keep and bear arms." It doesn't say any tinhorn merchant can require his customers make themselves disarmed victims by posting a sign that says, in the ultimate analysis, "THIS PLACE IS SAFE TO ROB." And the Fourth says something about bein' secure in one's person, without an actual and specific warrant. Put them together and what does it spell? Concealed is concealed!

...Of course, people say I'm a bit uncompromising. Tough.
 
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