Frank Haertlein
Moderator
I found this on another BBS and thought you guys might like to say a few words as to the validity of this story.............
>Why would the B.A.T.F. treat people this way?
>
>This is a true story you will find hard to believe that we live in the
>United States!
>Here in Arkansas we have a small community rifle range South West of Little
>Rock. I was sighting in a project rifle a nhm91 with a custom "legal" stock
>with a Russian scope. This rifle was going to be used as my coyote gun.
>Semi auto clone of a AK with just a longer barrel. It was not a pre-ban or
>even a post-ban.
>So here I am at the range and there are 3 other people (not with me)
>getting my groups the way I want when
>next thing you know someone was screaming get on the ground. I had ear
>plugs on so I thought it was the other shooters playing around with each
>other. Well I look up and then again there is this guy in a Rambo outfit
>screaming . A#$hole I said get on the ground. At this point my senses
>clicked in and I got on the ground as fast as this tired body could.
>I looked up and there was 10-12 B.A.T.F. agents all over this range. I have
>never I mean ever been in trouble with the law in my life. Matter of fact
>my brother , father, and grand pop all are retired or on the force with the
>NYPD.So I got the feeling they are looking for someone or got a tip on
>something. They checked everything or guns, ammo, took my I.D., and even
>walked up and opened the doors of my truck and went through it. They did
>not even ask if they could do this.
>I was hand cuffed told to stand up and then walked off in another
>direction. I noticed the other three were also separated and walked in
>different directions from me.I asked what was I being arrested for. They
>said they have some questions for me. I then again asked why was I hand
>cuffed. They said for there protection! I learned many years ago from my
>father that when and if in a position as this you tell the truth and be
>"Nice"!
>Guys, at this point I was scared and told the agent I did nothing wrong.
>The agent ignored me and then ask when was the last time I was arrested. I
>said I never been arrested in my life. He then asked what are the names of
>my friends. I said I don't know them I just came to shoot.
>They then asked if my"weapons" where registered?I said no because I was
>thought that in the state of Arkansas they did not have to be. They asked
>me where I got them from and questions about the ammo. I told them the
>truth about everything. Then they walked away and told me to sit on the
>ground. I was standing in mud because we had I light rain the night before.
>So I walked 3 feet to sit on the grass. He yelled Sit Down!!
>So I did.
>I don't know about you guys but I am in my mid 30's and I was trying with
>all my might not to get upset...It was hard. I have never been treated like
>this by anyone. Also reading stories about the A.T.F. manufacturing
>evidence I truly felt like I was a criminal and very scared. I watched them
>go through my rig pulling out the seats and door panels and going through
>the glove. They just through stuff on the ground. My mail, check book, and
>the leather spare seat in the back.
>I was sitting there what felt like hours ( 20 min.) when the senior agent
>came up and asked me where the "sks" was? I said I don't have a "sks". He
>then said: It will be easy on you if you tell us where it is? I told him
>again
>if I had anymore rifles you would know about it. I then asked him what's
>going on I just came out to shoot. I told him I was good guy and my father
>and brother where cops and why was I being treated like this! He walked
>away.
>I sat there for another 30 min. When I noticed they walked one of the other
>guys and put him in a car. Now at this point I had it. I could not control
>my mouth. I asked the agent for his card and I said I want the name of the
>senior agent. He just walked away and I watched him talk to the senior
>agent. Another 30 min. went buy when a agent came over and told me to stand
>up. ( hard to do with your hands behind your back ) He took off the hand
>cuffs and gave me back my I.D. and told me to leave.
>I walked over to my truck and picked up my things. I went to get my rifle
>(nhm91) and it was not on the bench. I asked the same agent about my rifle.
>He said get this" I told you to get the F%CK" out of here"! So at this
>point I was scared tired and just wanted to get the hell out of there. When
>I was driving home I went from being scared to out right pissed off! Is
>this they same country I gave four years of my life too? Is this the same
>country I pay almost 40% in taxes to every year? Guys what's going on? I
>have never in my life felt so small or helpless.
>Bill
>Why would the B.A.T.F. treat people this way?
>
>This is a true story you will find hard to believe that we live in the
>United States!
>Here in Arkansas we have a small community rifle range South West of Little
>Rock. I was sighting in a project rifle a nhm91 with a custom "legal" stock
>with a Russian scope. This rifle was going to be used as my coyote gun.
>Semi auto clone of a AK with just a longer barrel. It was not a pre-ban or
>even a post-ban.
>So here I am at the range and there are 3 other people (not with me)
>getting my groups the way I want when
>next thing you know someone was screaming get on the ground. I had ear
>plugs on so I thought it was the other shooters playing around with each
>other. Well I look up and then again there is this guy in a Rambo outfit
>screaming . A#$hole I said get on the ground. At this point my senses
>clicked in and I got on the ground as fast as this tired body could.
>I looked up and there was 10-12 B.A.T.F. agents all over this range. I have
>never I mean ever been in trouble with the law in my life. Matter of fact
>my brother , father, and grand pop all are retired or on the force with the
>NYPD.So I got the feeling they are looking for someone or got a tip on
>something. They checked everything or guns, ammo, took my I.D., and even
>walked up and opened the doors of my truck and went through it. They did
>not even ask if they could do this.
>I was hand cuffed told to stand up and then walked off in another
>direction. I noticed the other three were also separated and walked in
>different directions from me.I asked what was I being arrested for. They
>said they have some questions for me. I then again asked why was I hand
>cuffed. They said for there protection! I learned many years ago from my
>father that when and if in a position as this you tell the truth and be
>"Nice"!
>Guys, at this point I was scared and told the agent I did nothing wrong.
>The agent ignored me and then ask when was the last time I was arrested. I
>said I never been arrested in my life. He then asked what are the names of
>my friends. I said I don't know them I just came to shoot.
>They then asked if my"weapons" where registered?I said no because I was
>thought that in the state of Arkansas they did not have to be. They asked
>me where I got them from and questions about the ammo. I told them the
>truth about everything. Then they walked away and told me to sit on the
>ground. I was standing in mud because we had I light rain the night before.
>So I walked 3 feet to sit on the grass. He yelled Sit Down!!
>So I did.
>I don't know about you guys but I am in my mid 30's and I was trying with
>all my might not to get upset...It was hard. I have never been treated like
>this by anyone. Also reading stories about the A.T.F. manufacturing
>evidence I truly felt like I was a criminal and very scared. I watched them
>go through my rig pulling out the seats and door panels and going through
>the glove. They just through stuff on the ground. My mail, check book, and
>the leather spare seat in the back.
>I was sitting there what felt like hours ( 20 min.) when the senior agent
>came up and asked me where the "sks" was? I said I don't have a "sks". He
>then said: It will be easy on you if you tell us where it is? I told him
>again
>if I had anymore rifles you would know about it. I then asked him what's
>going on I just came out to shoot. I told him I was good guy and my father
>and brother where cops and why was I being treated like this! He walked
>away.
>I sat there for another 30 min. When I noticed they walked one of the other
>guys and put him in a car. Now at this point I had it. I could not control
>my mouth. I asked the agent for his card and I said I want the name of the
>senior agent. He just walked away and I watched him talk to the senior
>agent. Another 30 min. went buy when a agent came over and told me to stand
>up. ( hard to do with your hands behind your back ) He took off the hand
>cuffs and gave me back my I.D. and told me to leave.
>I walked over to my truck and picked up my things. I went to get my rifle
>(nhm91) and it was not on the bench. I asked the same agent about my rifle.
>He said get this" I told you to get the F%CK" out of here"! So at this
>point I was scared tired and just wanted to get the hell out of there. When
>I was driving home I went from being scared to out right pissed off! Is
>this they same country I gave four years of my life too? Is this the same
>country I pay almost 40% in taxes to every year? Guys what's going on? I
>have never in my life felt so small or helpless.
>Bill