Stagger Lee
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If some of you spent half as much time supporting this country and participating in our self-government process as you do worrying about the day that it'll suddenly turn evil and crush you for no apparent reason...
Over and above that, supporting my country and supporting its government are not the same thing."The Second Amendment is a doomsday provision, one designed for those exceptionally rare circumstances where all other rights have failed; where the government refuses to stand for reelection and silences those who protest; where courts have lost the courage to oppose, or can find no one to enforce their decrees. However improbable these contingencies may seem today, facing them unprepared is a mistake a free people get to make only once. "
Silveira v. Lockyer, 328 F.3d 567, 570 (Kozinski, J., dissenting)
Any group of folks can in theory come together and launch a rebellion, but it doesn't mean they are necessarily right or on justified.
And libertarians are just one group that has no representation in this government. And that government violates our rights every day.
where all other rights have failed; where the government refuses to stand for reelection and silences those who protest; where courts have lost the courage to oppose, or can find no one to enforce their decrees. However improbable these contingencies may seem today, facing them unprepared is a mistake a free people get to make only once.
I just love it when people give me the excuse to answer their charge with this:
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"The Second Amendment is a doomsday provision, one designed for those exceptionally rare circumstances where all other rights have failed; where the government refuses to stand for reelection and silences those who protest; where courts have lost the courage to oppose, or can find no one to enforce their decrees. However improbable these contingencies may seem today, facing them unprepared is a mistake a free people get to make only once. "
Silveira v. Lockyer, 328 F.3d 567, 570 (Kozinski, J., dissenting)
Over and above that, supporting my country and supporting its government are not the same thing.
You DO know that a judge's dissenting opinion carries no weight, right? It's just some guy's personal opinion. You might as well be citing Carrot Top.
I ask again did the fact that NO citizens had guns stop Mayor Nagin from taking them or was it the injunction the NRA filed in Sep?
You DO know that a judge's dissenting opinion carries no weight, right? It's just some guy's personal opinion. You might as well be citing Carrot Top.
To say that the STATE is the militia, and that the STATE embodies the militia - is imprecise. In fact, to also say that the PEOPLE are the militia - is likewise imprecise. What is precise however is the right to bear arms so that a well-regulated militia can be formed. One might remember that in 1861, there were in essence quite a few 'militias' being formed, but they were not in agreement.
Stagger Lee made what I believe to be a very untrue statement.
He stated that the government is US, and that we all have representation in the government. That is most definitely untrue. It a perfect world perhaps it would be true..but I know for a certainty that libertarians are NOT represented in government. Ron Paul comes pretty close..but one lone congressman does not representation make.
And libertarians are just one group that has no representation in this government. And that government violates our rights every day.
The militias draw their power - whether for good or bad -
Except, when SCOTUS comes along and says, as in Heller,
Tennessee Gentleman said:What is the purpose of the militia? The Constitution says it is "to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions."
I didn't know that Scalia referenced that quote from Kozinski as law. Did he?
On the point of individual vs collective RTKBA I agree. Not the point of the thread though.The minority was right.
Perhaps some cannot, But I can.Al, you have posted this before and not trying to mock you but the same would be true for alien invasions and zombies? I mean we can't say with 100%certainty they won't come.
History has this very funny habit of repeating itself. To say it will never happen is to ignore what has gone on in the past. Since the past is the only reliable indicator of the future, it is wise not to ignore it.What you describe is not going to happen...