I just visited this website and I clicked on "Does the 2nd apply to the states?" on the home page. I was dumbfounded when I read that "Yes, the second amendment was intended to be applied to the states through the fourteenth amendment though the courts have refused to acknowledge or apply original intent."
My 1st problem is this- the 2nd amendment was passed on 15 Dec 1791, the fourteenth was passed on 9 July 1868. So what was the status of gun rights for the interim 77 years?
Second problem. The U.S. Constitution is a "contract" between the States to create or "constitute" a federal government. The Constitution spells out what the Federal Government CAN or CANNOT do. Additionally, as a condition of ratification, the Bill of Rights (amendments 1-10) provided further limitations to the FEDERAL government.
3rd problem. By saying that the 2nd amendment - by way of the 14th amendment - applies to the states, you are advocating the Incorporation Doctorine. This is exactly how the gun grabbers at the Federal level intend to trample states rights. If the federal government- by way of the 2nd thru the 14th amendment - can reach into a state and influence or even regulate gun rights, what else can they regulate? EVERYTHING. You have just opened Pandora's Box.
Here is the bare knuckle truth... The 2nd ONLY applies to the FEDERAL government. Because of the 9th and 10th amendments, your state MAY completely outlaw guns- it depends on your STATE constitution. How else can you explain the various gun laws each state has?
With all due respect, someone at this site needs to do some more homework. If you are going into battle against the big boys (i.e. Eric Holder and the Supreme Court) you should go in fully armed with the proper information.
I learned all this from two different people, which doesn't make it indesputable, but it makes more sense to me. Go to mikechurch.com and kevingutzman.com and find out for yourself.
I am all for gun rights. I feel that if I can afford it I should be able to park an Abrams tank in my barn. The founders were abundantly clear, the Federal Government should have absolutely no say in gun laws. What part of "... shall not be infringed..." don't they understand? The states however are limited only by their own constitutions, and the voters in each state.
I realize by making this arguement, I might become Public Enemy #1 on this site, that is not my intent. I am just trying to help.
"The truth shall set you free, but first it will make you miserable." -James A. Garfield
Some_Dude
the material I wrote about can be found at www.guncite.com/2ndfou.html
My 1st problem is this- the 2nd amendment was passed on 15 Dec 1791, the fourteenth was passed on 9 July 1868. So what was the status of gun rights for the interim 77 years?
Second problem. The U.S. Constitution is a "contract" between the States to create or "constitute" a federal government. The Constitution spells out what the Federal Government CAN or CANNOT do. Additionally, as a condition of ratification, the Bill of Rights (amendments 1-10) provided further limitations to the FEDERAL government.
3rd problem. By saying that the 2nd amendment - by way of the 14th amendment - applies to the states, you are advocating the Incorporation Doctorine. This is exactly how the gun grabbers at the Federal level intend to trample states rights. If the federal government- by way of the 2nd thru the 14th amendment - can reach into a state and influence or even regulate gun rights, what else can they regulate? EVERYTHING. You have just opened Pandora's Box.
Here is the bare knuckle truth... The 2nd ONLY applies to the FEDERAL government. Because of the 9th and 10th amendments, your state MAY completely outlaw guns- it depends on your STATE constitution. How else can you explain the various gun laws each state has?
With all due respect, someone at this site needs to do some more homework. If you are going into battle against the big boys (i.e. Eric Holder and the Supreme Court) you should go in fully armed with the proper information.
I learned all this from two different people, which doesn't make it indesputable, but it makes more sense to me. Go to mikechurch.com and kevingutzman.com and find out for yourself.
I am all for gun rights. I feel that if I can afford it I should be able to park an Abrams tank in my barn. The founders were abundantly clear, the Federal Government should have absolutely no say in gun laws. What part of "... shall not be infringed..." don't they understand? The states however are limited only by their own constitutions, and the voters in each state.
I realize by making this arguement, I might become Public Enemy #1 on this site, that is not my intent. I am just trying to help.
"The truth shall set you free, but first it will make you miserable." -James A. Garfield
Some_Dude
the material I wrote about can be found at www.guncite.com/2ndfou.html
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