Does Hillary Have a Shot in '08?

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I shudder at the thought of a Hillary White House. Could you imagine!?!?!? Calls from the President for Congress to pass national gun registration, draconian gun and ammo bans, an Attorney General who'd pay no mind to the Second Amendment. And the list would go on and on.

And, let's not even get started about Hillary Care and all the other programs we'd see (and have to pay for).
 
Do you really want the answer to that question? Because I sure dont, beings there are hordes of gun-grabbin crazys that supported her already to get her elected to the Senate. God help us all if she does get elected. Nuff said.
 
Yes I honestly believe she will be elected in ’08. But what is even more disturbing is that Bill is actively campaigning for Annans' post at the UN, and Europe and much of the world loves Bill. He is said to be a frontrunner for the position. Can you imagine the two of them in power?
I wonder why Bush 41 is spending so much time helping Bill to campaign? Oh, that’s right, I forgot about “The New World Order” he favors.
The next Government to change hands in the Middle East will be Syria, and a Theocracy comprised of pseudo-nationalistic countries led by Iran will emerge; This Theocratic Region-State will continue to be backed by Russia, in this scenario I wonder what the world will be like with Hillary in the Whitehouse and Bill running the UN?
 
Yep, a very good chance. I have heard several women comment they would vote for her just because she is a woman running for president.
 
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Yep, a very good chance. I have heard several women comment they would vote for her just because she is a woman running for president.
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Which is why there has been talk of running Condi Rice if Hillary runs. Don't know how serious that is, but that would make things interesting (2 women running for President, one of them black).
 
Personally, I think that Hillary has a really good chance of being nominated. But I think that she has much less chance of actually getting elected. She has made entirely too many enemies in her climb to political power, and she has too many skeletons in her closet. The blogosphere will eat her alive, as will the right wing radio talk shows. I know that she is ambitious, but I really do think that she will end up like Senator T. Kennedy -- a constant blowhard in the Senate, ever the champion of the Lefties of the Northeast, but never electable in the Heartland or the South. Especially not the South, where she has a big hurdle to climb, that of being a "turncoat", and an opportunist. I mean, her skeedaddling from Arkansas to New York to find herself a sympathetic electorate both shows her rigid Leftist mindset and ticked off a whole bunch of Southerners in the process. She knew she didn't stand a chance in the South without bowing to the will of her constituents. And she still doesn't. Her posturing as being a moderate is just that: posturing. She's not fooling many people at all -- she's no moderate. She never was one, isn't one now, and isn't going to ever be one.

Condi, however, has a really good chance to actually get elected. IMHO, a much better chance than Hillary.
 
Hillary has alienated many democrats. Many of my friends (who are dems) don'r like hillary for various and sundry reasons. The problem may be that if the democratic party does not run anyone else with a clue, hillary will get the nomination, and if someone like Bush runs (IE condi) they will decide that anything is better than a bush clone, and vote hillary. A condi-hillary matchup will be close.
 
Grey Pilgrim:

Granted, but the ABB bunch are still the hard core, yellow dog leftist Democrats who would never ever vote for any 'Pub. In other words, we know who they are, and they weren't enough to throw the '04 election, so why should they be able to throw the '08 election? When they say "Anybody But Bush", they really mean they want no part of any true moderate or anyone who leans to the right, they are the "Deanite" wing of the Democrats. Again, they are a known quantity: vocal enough but not influential enough.

And before any of y'all out there start accusing, let me say that there's plenty of things that Bush has done or left undone that I'm not really happy about. But I'm not unhappy enough to become a turncoat. I'm sure not unhappy enough to elect another socialist gun grabber, not even for dog-catcher. It isn't that I have any great love for Bush or the Bushies, it is just that I detest the alternative.
 
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I don't worry so much about Hillary being able to outrun her past as much as I worry about the Republicans not fielding anyone capable of beating her. Look at the field right now: Rudy, Pataki, Mitt Romney-- all northeastern Republicrats who will have a hard time beating Hillary, IMHO.

I've heard talk of Condi, but she has to decide to run, they have to let her run, and she's got to prove herself as Sec of State. She would have a long road to the White House in just 3 1/2 years.
 
vitesse9:

Good point. Unfortunately, they don't call the 'Pubs the "Stupid Party" for nothing. If they run a RINO, a lot of people will just stay home in protest, and you can kiss any strides made in the positive direction good-bye. Personally, if they did that I'd think long and hard about voting 3rd party.
 
I agree with you gb that they will never vote for any 'pub. Given a hillary/condi matchup (as I said) they would def go hillary. But i disagree with you that dems wouldn't go for a moderate. I think a hillary-mccain (which is unlikely, repubs will never run mccain) setup would favor mccain, cause dems would vote for him. Mebbe its just me. This sounds funny, but if dean tries to run against hillary, he might have a chance, if he proves himself over these next four eyars.
 
Grey Pilgrim:

The problem with McCain is that while he may get some support from the middle, he has already made enemies from the traditional, old line Republicans, who need only to be reminded of McCain-Feingold (AKA The Incumbent Protection Act) to just stay home or vote 3rd party. In other words, he'll never get nominated, no matter how much the media loves him. He's viewed as too much of a maverick.

Personally, I'm pulling for Condi. Since her fate resides on how well she does at State, I'd say that right now she's looking pretty good, based on what's been happening lately.

Again, the ABB'ers were already against Bush & crew, they are a known bunch. Yes, they will flock to Hillary (their true darling), but they won't be enough. Condi has more credibility, IMHO, and is an effective leader with real Foreign Policy (more so as her tenure at State progreses) and Intel creds, and doesn't have the closet skeletons that Hillary does. Condi also doesn't have the articulation problems that GWB has, and would be a good antidote to the GWB "idiot" meme that the 'Crats keep bouncing around (incorrectly, I might add).
 
Right now it appears the Bush Dynasty would prefer to have a Dem in the White House rather than someone whose last name isn't Bush. Maybe a dynamic Republican will emerge, maybe not. So far we are underwhelmed.

Hillary's problem will be governing, not winning. She will be far more divisive than Bush was ever seen to be. If she does half of what I think she will do this nation will be in crisis mode.
 
I think the "womens vote" draw card touted by many is highly overestimated. most of the republican women I know are not going to cross sides just cause she is a woman. They are smarter than the dems give them credit for. Actually I know quite a few democratic women who wouldn't vote for her either. I see Hillary's best chance (and our worst nightmare) in running as vice and praying (or arranging) for the removal of #1 after the election. Actually I can see Hillary losing just as many male votes from the democratic good ol boys who just can't bring themselves to vote for a woman.
 
The REAL PROBLEM won't be who gets into office.

THE REAL PROBLEM will be come about 2010 the boomer retirement party will be in FULL SWING.

And with the clock ticking on the Social Security fund, it's just a matter of time before that system goes down for the count. Regardless of what any body says.

You can't FIX a ponzi scheme, which is what SSI is.

So, do the Reps have the cojones to actually run anyone with vision? WE WILL SEE.
 
Just saw a poll in the newspaper yesterday. 52% of respondents want Hillary to run in '08, and 43% want Condoleeza Rice to run.

There's no doubt in my mind that Hillary is going to run. My fear is that she can win. By that time all of the Whitewater/Vince Foster/commodities stories will be very old news.

Meanwhile, she's making all the right moves: supporting our troops and our goals in Iraq and Afghanistan, outmaneuvering Bush on immigration, and generally taking a moderate stance on every issue.
 
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