Looking into this issue from other than an strict fundamentalist RKBA view many questions come up, maybe Stage2 or one of our legal scholars knows about these matters.
Even if the SCOTUS rules that individual citizens have a constitutional right to keep and bear for individual defense, this does not necessarily translate to a civil right from what I can glean. Civil rights are defined by the Civil Rights Act. True?
From what I can understand you can sue an employer for violating your civil rights but not your constitutional rights. Is this correct?
You have a right to a reasonably safe work environment.
My understanding is that generally, one can only prove an unreasonably unsafe work environment if the employer violates OSHA guidelines. True or False?
If an insurance company got a case of RKBA fever (right after they climbed the beanstalk to the giant's castle
) and took a bath because of it they are liable to the shareholders. Correct?
The gun free zone liability legislation seems to have one glaring problem that even an idealist like myself can see. Such a law basically states that if an entity declares a no weapons zone and somebody gets hurt because they had no reasonable means of defense, the "banning" entity is liable.
Proponents claim property rights are preserved, the property owner is simply assuming the liability for their decision.
If such ever passed, would that lead to creating a problem for jurisdictions that prevent their citizens from being armed? In other words could such a law on the books in one place give an attorney a leg to stand on for suing a city in another citing case law and Challenging the "no duty to protect" doctrine as the minority opinion did in the NYC case of the woman who got the acid attack?
In a state where the law says the employee could keep a firearm in their car, could a company requiring the employee to drive their own car for business still fire an employee for having a weapon in their car?
Example, PizzaPalooza Palace ( a fictional company) has a no weapons policy. Law states employee cannot be prohibited from keeping firearm in private vehicle. PizzaPalooza Palace employs drivers to use their personal vehicles for delivery. Driver in involved in justifiable shoot. Gets fired for violating company policy. Employee claims firearm was kept legally in car, company cannot prove otherwise. Does employee have wrongful termination claim for damages?
I am trying to find out if voluntarily using your car as a workplace would invalidate such statutory protection.
At one time in the Anglo world property rights were valued over virtually all individual human rights according to my understanding, back in feudal times. Is this correct?
If they have a no weapons policy, there simply isn't any way anyone could recover.
I suspected that to be the case. This still is puzzling because gun free zones don't seem to stop these happenings.
Reasonable and Prudent still seem to be based on the Kellerman study.
The FL statutes have nothing to do with the 2nd Amendment
Thanks for clearing that up for us Dave, I'll notify the Florida State legislators and the members of the grassroots organizations who fought for those. I won't have to provide them with proof because a guy who does research professionally said so.
What the heck did I do with Marion Hammer's cell number??......
Al Gore really did not invent the net all by himself. Some people helped him. As a former perldog (one who fixes perl code others write as opposed to a perlgod who writes perl code some hapless perldog has to fix) I count myself among them and am impelled to offer you some net advice.
At the risk of being repetitive, if you could post links to studies or actual news events backing your position, like those ones I provided that mean nothing according to you, it would be easier to take you seriously. Mentioning one book is nice but I would humbly submit that I have provided more than that to back my assertions.
Also if you call a policy communist, try not to deny it in the same thread. Leads to credibility. Before you state that there are no studies tending to indicate that CCW makes the workplace more dangerous remember that google is your friend. Keeps some idiot who doesn't understand anything from proving you wrong, thus undermining your status as a fountain of truth and knowledge because you read entire studies and trade journals.
Meantime here's a page I read single paragraphs from drawing illogical conclusions without understanding anything because I am not a professional researcher.
Tear this one down for us in your spare time.
http://www.gunowners.org/fs0404.htm
This tells me (among many other things I have cited and many others I could) that victim disarmament is bad. History tells us that rights and liability are concepts that evolve. Fourteen years on the net and a few on the BBs' before that tells me when somebody is arguing for the sheer unadulterated thrill of it.
I am more than happy to discuss alternative viewpoints. If you read the thread you will know this. Pointless bickering for the sake of being adverse is of limited value.