Does anyone make this rifle?

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Nightcrawler

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I want a semiauto rifle, in .308 or .30-06, or some comparable cartrdige. I'd prefer an 8-10 round capacity, and it should be able to be scoped, yet have iron sights also.

One thing. I want a rifle that I don't have to worry about magazines. I'm tired of worrying about getting good mags or bad magazines. In a lot of these American rifles with detachable box magazines, the magazines are grossly overpriced. (A Browning magazine costs almost $50)

So, what are my options? Bascially, I'd like a Garand, execpt more compact and scoped.

Of course, I could just get the Garand, but the "Tanker Conversion" costs as much as the rifle itself.
 
FAL carbine or lightweight carbine by DSA. That should fill your request for good mags. they are 20rds but cheap and durable.

I wish someone would make a clone of the WW2 German G-43 in .308 / ten round mags....anyone else like that idea?

Hk makes or made a wooden stocked 7.62 that looks really similar to the G-43, at least the front sight and stock shape (in the same fashion the Hk33 looks suspiciously like the Stg44). It's sehr teur, scarce and I'm not sure it was available with anything more than a 5 round mag.
 
I've wanted a FAL carbine, but...

It's not what I was asking about. A, it costs two thousand dollars (the Light Carbine of which you speak) and B it takes box magazines. I want something different, is all.
 
Sorry, thats http://www.robarm.com...got it wrong a couple times :).

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I don't know if the mags are cheap but it sure has the "look" down.
 
Hmm

I think I'll just go with a Garand, and maybe save up for the tanker conversion. All of the rifles folks have suggested are great, but they all take detachable box magazines, which I don't want to bother with. I've had plenty of them and am wanting something different.
 
Remington makes a tube mag fed. [I think!] rifle in 30-06...you can find a deal on a used one maybe, well under the Tanker. There just aren't a whole lot of semi-auto .30 cals out there that don't take a box mag that don't hold more than a few rounds. The Garand is about it if those are your demands. You can find a FAL 18" or 16" from ARS, I believe for WAY less than $2000.
 
Hey Nightcrawler, check out my thread on the F-M1D. Mine is still full length.

Stay away from those Tankers. Given time, because the Op-Rods are not properly tweaked, will tear the action apart. Compare them to the BM-59 where the Op-rod was reengineered and you'll get an idea of what I mean.
 
Okay then...

Where do I get a good Garand? Man, you think some company would start producing brand new M1 Garands. They'd sell very well, I think.

And what's a BM-59? What does it look like and where does one get one?
 
Gotta say it again, M1941 Johnson rifle. 10 rd .30-06, internal rotary mag, oughta fufill your quest for something different.
 
.338?

No thanks. Thirty ought six is plenty for me.

I like Fulton Armory's Garand. It's expensive, but it's a keeper.

Where does one go to see a 1941 Johnson rifle? And I thought the M1941 was a .30-06 Light machine gun that fed from a box magazine.
 
Nightcrawler, unfortunately there'll never be an afforable newly made Garand that's worth owning. Century Arms International is importing Spanish made cast receivers that run about $200. Assembled with old Danish parts the CAI Garands run about $450 - $500 but they're hardly a bargain since many are horribly out of spec and USGI CMP Garands can be had for the same price. Springfield Armory is suppose to be bringing out a new Garand some time this year, I'm guessing the price will be right around $1,500, maybe I'm wrong but even with a Brazilian cast receiver and Pacific Rim bolts and small parts I don't see how they could do it for less.

The fact is many of these old military rifles that we think of as cheap would be very, very, VERY expensive to make in the modern civilian market place. The M1 Garand is probably the best example, the SMLE is another. Look at the receiver on a M1 Garand. Then look at the receiver of any modern boltaction rifle that sells for around $500. A modern boltgun is basically a simple metal cylinder that's been cutout, threaded, and lightly machined. The M1 receiver is far more complicated.

The Springfield M1A has always been relatively expensive. Even back in the mid 70's, when you could by a Remington or Winchester highpower for under $200 the M1A was $500. Now "Remchesters" are $400 to $500 and the Springfield is $1000, the ratio has stayed the same. The M14 was essentially a "cost reduced" Garand with a detachable mag. All things being equal the M1 Garand is more complicated, has more parts, requires more material & labor, and is more expensive to make. A true milspec foraged receiver M1 Garand made in America today NIB would cost $2,500 to $3,500 easy. Springfield is able to hold the price down on their M1A by using foreign made cast receivers and a whole multitude of non milspec parts. I don't fault them for this, I own a M1A and love it (and an old USGI Garand), it's what they have to do to make them affordable -- Kernel
 
SAR-8 all the way :)

Well if you are looking for a nice semi-auto .308 I would recommend a used Springfield SAR-8 if you can find one. Basically the civilian version of the HK 91. Neato gun, and ammo is cheap. :)

In Liberty,

Chulain
 
Nightcrawler:

If you don't like detachable magazines, then BM-59 is not a rifle for you. A BM-59 used to be Italy's official battle rifle. It was also used in small numbers by the Indonesian army. It is a much modernized Garand with a long flash suppressor / grenade launcher. BM-59 looks kind of like an M-14, but it (BM-59) retains more of the Garand's look.

It uses 20 rounds detachable box, firing 7.62 x 51 NATO cartridge.

I don't know if anybody suggested this or not: if you don't like a rifle with detachable box magazines, get an FN-49. They were made in both 30-06 and 7.92 x 57mm (8mm Mauser)by Belgium's Fabrique Nationale. It was used by several nations, Egypt being one. It has a fixed, 10 rounds box, fed by stripper clips. Unlike a Garand, you can load loose rounds to the magazine. The problem is, installing a scope on this rifle may be a problem.
 
I saw an FN-49

I really liked the look of it. Scoping really isn't a big priority, if it has good iron sights.

Where do you get one?
 
I've had my FN49 since 1994.

Scope mount options are generally limited to the B-Square mount which replaces the rear sight. The receiver cover can be taken off in a matter of seconds; I bought a another receiver cover strictly for mounting a scope so I can switch back and forth between scope and iron sights.

Some parts are available,others are hard to find.

Also,if you are looking for something more compact than a M1 Garand,the FN49 ain't it. It weighs about the same as an M1 but doesn't handle as well.

Personally,I do prefer the FN49 over the M1; others may not.
It is very accurate and reliable and bulit like a tank.

You will just have to look around to find a nice one: gun shops,gun shows,auction sites,Gun Lists,etc.
 
Hi, guys,

With a good 1941 Johnson running 2 grand plus, I think that it is out of the range. Also, those are pretty finicky on ammunition due to recoil operation.

A semi-auto without a detachable magazine pretty well limits the choice to the M1. I agree that the "tanker" is a poor choice. Some worked OK, but many are junque.

Jim
 
Try this

HK SL7 carbine in .308. Soft recoil, great accuracy. Unfortunately it uses detachable mags in 3 or 10 round capacity. I have never seen one misfeed, there are NO aftermarket magazines, and although the magazines are expensive ($50 for 3 or 10 rounders) at least there is an excuse as they are not common and they are well made. ;)

I forgot about the quick release HK05 scope mount. Like all HK things they are $$$, but they work perfectly.

A perfect woods gun if you are allowed to use autos.
 
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