Does Anyone Know?

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Several questions here for anyone who may know: Do ALL firearms manufacturers test fire their ALL of their guns before sending them out the factory door? If so, is there an industry standard protocol that they follow [certain number of rounds fired per gun], or is it something that each manufacturer does differently? Thanks as always for any insights.
 
All "proof" testing in the U.S. is strictly voluntary. There are NO government regulations regarding proof testing. Each manufacturer makes the decision as to whether to "proof" test or not.
 
All "proof" testing in the U.S. is strictly voluntary. There are NO government regulations regarding proof testing. Each manufacturer makes the decision as to whether to "proof" test or not.
Very true. But, find an insurance company that agrees with skipping the proof-testing step.

In addition, all major manufacturers are members of SAAMI. SAAMI standards include proof testing.
 
gyvel is correct, there are no proof laws in the United States. Most I believe do fire them once, not for proofing but for the shell casing required by many states to go with the gun when sold.

There are no proof laws in the US.
 
I've only bought one American gun new, it came with a proof. The other guns were imports and they did not come with one. It's completely fine me.
 
I can recall one only firearm that I bought new that came with a proof. I also remember one American made rifle that produced metal shavings from the barrel when I cleaned it prior to its first firing. :eek: I find it highly unlikely that it had been shot before, as the barrel was still intact.
 
Flopsweat I can recall one only firearm that I bought new that came with a proof. I also remember one American made rifle that produced metal shavings from the barrel when I cleaned it prior to its first firing. I find it highly unlikely that it had been shot before, as the barrel was still intact.

Yeah, you'd be crazy not to at least run some patch's down the barrel and then inspect visually.
 
Colt proof tests each firearm, indicated by the tiny "VP" in a triangle stamped on the left side of the trigger guard.
This is Colt's Verified Proof stamp.

My understanding is that S&W proofs by only loading every other chamber in a revolver.
 
I don't ever remember getting any casings with any of my revolvers.

It has been 3 years since my last Purchase though.
Beretta, Magnum Research, and EAA Witness all sent casings with their .45s.

Anyone ever got any with a Smith or Ruger Revolver?
 
There has been no reference shown that all U.S. guns are proof tested because of insurance regulations.
Here is an excerpt of the Italian manufacturer Pedersoli's proof testing statement where regarding the U.S.A. they state, "Only military contract firearms receive high pressure proof testing under strictly controlled conditions."
I wonder if most U.S. manufacturers are simply test firing or function testing all of their newly produced guns which folks believe to be the same as proof testing when it's not.
Proof testing requires taking precise measurements of critical areas both before and after firing proof loads that exceed established SAAMI pressures by 30%. IMHO that doesn't mean that every manufacturer is proof testing every gun in house that they manufacture.
They may proof test some guns but not necessarily all of them, and not necessarily every manufacturer.
If the critical before and after measurements aren't taken, then how would the manufacturer know that they didn't cause microscopic damage to the gun by proof testing it?
An insurance company wouldn't allow a gun that could have been damaged by proof testing to then be sold on the market.
That's why I believe Pedersoli's statement is generally true that "Only military contract firearms receive high pressure proof testing under strictly controlled conditions."

....Because of the dangers mentioned above, and the fact that no one outside of a testing laboratory or proof house has the proper equipment to measure the pressure and strain produced by any ammunition, the Pedersoli company states that their cartridge rifles are to be fired only with "commercially produced" smokeless powder ammunition or, with black powder ammunition which meets the pressure limits set forth by the European C.I.P or American SAAMI organizations for each caliber or cartridge name.

Pedersoli & Co. like all Italian firearms manufacturers, is required by law, to have every firearm proof tested at the Italian National Proof House in Gardone Italy.

Many other European gun makers also send their complete gun or barreled actions to this same proof house when there is no similar proof house in their home country. Buyers look for proof marks as an assurance of safety and quality so manufacturers pay the extra price to have guns proofed by a recognized govt. controlled proof house.

Below is a copy of the standard letter Pedersoli provides to customers who ask about the proof test pressures for their Black Powder Ctg. Rifles.

It should be noted that in the USA, Federal or State Law does not require the proof testing of civilian firearms and there is no national proof house in the USA for such testing.

Only military contract firearms receive high pressure proof testing under strictly controlled conditions. All other firearms may or may not be proof tested by the manufacturer in some manner and if proof testing is performed, there is no government supervision or control so the customer must rely upon the manufacturers’ reputation in regards to the firearm strength. Fortunately, even though commercial firearms made in the USA do not have proof testing marks they are found to be strong enough for commercial ammunition made according to recognized SAAMI pressure ratings and the customer relies upon the reputation of both the gun and ammo manufacturer.

PEDERSOLI PROOF TESTING STATEMENT

All Pedersoli rifles are proof tested at the (Italian government) National Firing Proof House with smokeless powder cartridges with a pressure exceeding that of the ‘commercial’ factory made ammunition by 30 %.

For the .45-70 caliber we normally recommend the use of commercially made ammunition because of it being easily available on the world market. We show here some warnings about C.I.P. rules:

C.I.P WARNING

Our guns are proof tested according to the rules imposed by C.I.P. (International Proof Commission). Proof test pressure is 30% stronger than the maximum pressure of a commercial cartridge (Pmax.) Pmax pressures are measured in BAR units.....




http://www.bpcr.net/site_docs-resul...li_proof_rules_and_allowable_limits_09-04.htm
 
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Proof testing requires taking precise measurements of critical areas both before and after firing proof loads that exceed established SAAMI pressures by 30%. IMHO that doesn't mean that every manufacturer is proof testing every gun in house that they manufacture.

SAAMI has standards for proof loads, just like they do for any standard loading of a cartridge or shotshell load. It isn't a straight "30%" over-pressure for proof loads. It varies, depending upon the exact chambering.
For example, the proof load suggested for a 12 ga 2.75" chamber is not the same amount "over standard" as that suggested for a 12 ga 3.5" chamber.
If you take a look at their standards (rimfire, pistol, rifle, shotgun), it ranges from about 20% over-pressure, to 50%(+) over-pressure.
 
According to what I was told on their factory tour approximately two years ago, after assembly, Smith & Wesson test fires three shots out of each revolver and one full magazine for each semi-auto. The guns are then cleaned and boxed for shipment. They didn't say either way, but it was apparent that they were firing regular factory loads, not overpressure "proof" loads.
 
My understanding is that some manufacturers supply a spent cartridge case to meet some state's requirements. (MD?) standard pressure as far as I know. In any case, I've never seen a case supplied with any of my firearms that showed any overpressure signs.
 
Last night, on...

...the History Channel 2, there was a rerun of a program on Magnum guns. They started out with the U.S. Army MU, and the .300 Win Mag. They also spent quite a bit of time with Roy Jinks. He provided a nice dialogue on the S&W .357 and .44 Magnums.

One of the film segments showed a .44 Magnum being test fired. It was shot three times. Then the worker ejected the spent casings, threw two of them in a bin, and took the third one to a table, where it showed him starting to put the third spent casing in the small envelope that goes with every S&W revolver now.

The last several S&W's I bought, I took the spent casing and put in in with the cases to be reloaded. No point in wasting good brass.
 
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