Does anyone carry more than one reload? Does anyone carry no reloads?
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Mike Irwin
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I feel absolutely nekkid if I'm not carrying at least 400 speedloaders or 200 magazines, PLUS several boxes of extra ammo.... 
When I'm carrying in the shoulder holster, I carry either another full magazine (P7M13), 6 extra rounds (Model 19 2.5") or 12 extra rounds (Model 19 4")
The 19 only has I reload pouch, so I normally stick a speedloader or two in my pockets.
If I'm carrying the PT-22 Taurus, as I am this evening, I don't carry a reload for it. I don't have a spare magazine, and haven't gotten around to getting one.
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Beware the man with the S&W .357 Mag.
Chances are he knows how to use it.
When I'm carrying in the shoulder holster, I carry either another full magazine (P7M13), 6 extra rounds (Model 19 2.5") or 12 extra rounds (Model 19 4")
The 19 only has I reload pouch, so I normally stick a speedloader or two in my pockets.
If I'm carrying the PT-22 Taurus, as I am this evening, I don't carry a reload for it. I don't have a spare magazine, and haven't gotten around to getting one.
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Beware the man with the S&W .357 Mag.
Chances are he knows how to use it.
Depends on where I am and what I am doing, but GENERALLY speaking 90% of the time I carry no reloads. Be that with a J-Frame or a SIG. I am more likely to carry a second or third gun than a reload. Hip, x-draw, front pocket, rear pocket, and ankle some combination of those depending on the attire as dictated by weather conditions or if I am driving a car.
I have found if a 'problem' arises there are three things that are true:
1. If you didn't see the trouble coming and don't already have your gun in your hand (it may still be in your pocket but you better have your hand on it) it can EASILY be too late.
2. If you do not have the problem taken care of, either neutralized or gotten yourself away from the problem, by the time you have fired 2-4 shots, you are in a WHOLE bunch of trouble that I doubt a couple of spare 15 round mags are going to solve.
3. I practice at about 15 yards. The reason for this is that I will not have to shoot in a self defence situation beyond that distance. If I am further away than that when trouble starts I can run away and/or hide.
Armed citizens we are not policemen. We do not intentionally go in harms way. We do not run to a shoot out so we can get in on it. If you ever use a gun for self defense it will probably be, no, better be, up close. Remember that the person who you defend yourself against must meet certain conditions to be considered a threat. One of those conditions is 'capacity'. If you are threatened the person must have the 'capacity' to carry out the threat. To determine 'capacity' the type of weapon and the persons proximity to you are taken into account.
Simply, in a self-defense situation you will need to see it coming, already have the gun in your hand, if the problem is close enough you will get off 2-4 shots before you can expect retaliation and it will be up close and personal.
That is my reason for not carrying a reload, it is based on my experiences and is nothing more than my opinion, if anyone cares.
I have found if a 'problem' arises there are three things that are true:
1. If you didn't see the trouble coming and don't already have your gun in your hand (it may still be in your pocket but you better have your hand on it) it can EASILY be too late.
2. If you do not have the problem taken care of, either neutralized or gotten yourself away from the problem, by the time you have fired 2-4 shots, you are in a WHOLE bunch of trouble that I doubt a couple of spare 15 round mags are going to solve.
3. I practice at about 15 yards. The reason for this is that I will not have to shoot in a self defence situation beyond that distance. If I am further away than that when trouble starts I can run away and/or hide.
Armed citizens we are not policemen. We do not intentionally go in harms way. We do not run to a shoot out so we can get in on it. If you ever use a gun for self defense it will probably be, no, better be, up close. Remember that the person who you defend yourself against must meet certain conditions to be considered a threat. One of those conditions is 'capacity'. If you are threatened the person must have the 'capacity' to carry out the threat. To determine 'capacity' the type of weapon and the persons proximity to you are taken into account.
Simply, in a self-defense situation you will need to see it coming, already have the gun in your hand, if the problem is close enough you will get off 2-4 shots before you can expect retaliation and it will be up close and personal.
That is my reason for not carrying a reload, it is based on my experiences and is nothing more than my opinion, if anyone cares.
JayDrummond
Moderator
There are times when I don't carry a gun, times when there's a couple back-up long-guns in the vehicle. It's sort of like choosing which shoes to wear.
Kentucky Rifle
New member
Yeah, sometimes I do.
A spare Glock 27 magazine doesn't take up much room. Also, when I got the great little back pocket wallet style holster for my Guardian from RJ Hedley, I also purchased a "pocket" mag pouch for an extra magazine. Pretty neat. (And at $15.00, a bargain.)
Will
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Mendacity is the system we live in.
A spare Glock 27 magazine doesn't take up much room. Also, when I got the great little back pocket wallet style holster for my Guardian from RJ Hedley, I also purchased a "pocket" mag pouch for an extra magazine. Pretty neat. (And at $15.00, a bargain.)
Will
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Mendacity is the system we live in.
Gunslinger
Moderator
I always carry an 18 round "ammo pack" in my hip pocket and some times a couple of speed loaders. The best spare ammo I carry is loaded in the back up I also carry. Faster than a reload. 
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PreserveFreedom
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It all depends on what weapon I happen to be carrying.
I have not read the thread, but I am a firm believer in lots of reloads.
That is another reason I love my Glock 30, because I can buy lots of full capacity magazines for a low price, load them up with ball ammo and leave them in strategic locations, knowing that I have a full mag of reasonably effective ammo if it comes to that reload. I cannot afford to buy preban hi capacity mags and load them with expensive hollowpoints and leave them lying around the house and car, so the 10 round .45 gives me the most bang for the buck.
Magazines can fail (bottom pops off if you run into something and pop it off etc), and a Glock is just about useless without a magazine. So, carry at least one spare or have one nearby.
That is another reason I love my Glock 30, because I can buy lots of full capacity magazines for a low price, load them up with ball ammo and leave them in strategic locations, knowing that I have a full mag of reasonably effective ammo if it comes to that reload. I cannot afford to buy preban hi capacity mags and load them with expensive hollowpoints and leave them lying around the house and car, so the 10 round .45 gives me the most bang for the buck.
Magazines can fail (bottom pops off if you run into something and pop it off etc), and a Glock is just about useless without a magazine. So, carry at least one spare or have one nearby.
Douglas in CT
New member
Carrying 2 spare mags.(placed properly) can be a large part of "balancing the load" created by the holstered pistol.
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~Douglas in CT
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Regards,
~Douglas in CT
ChuteTheMall
New member
I like the "New York Reload" which is illegal in New York.
A keltec p-32 in offside pocket is faster than any reload. If your bad guy shoots the trigger off my primary gun, all the spare mags I could carry wouldn't help. A second gun is ideal, if it is small and light enough. At 6.6 oz empty and 0.75" narrow, just add 7 + 1 rounds of ammo and you can do without that extra magazine.
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ChuteTheMallGawdSortaMount
A keltec p-32 in offside pocket is faster than any reload. If your bad guy shoots the trigger off my primary gun, all the spare mags I could carry wouldn't help. A second gun is ideal, if it is small and light enough. At 6.6 oz empty and 0.75" narrow, just add 7 + 1 rounds of ammo and you can do without that extra magazine.
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ChuteTheMallGawdSortaMount
If I carry the small .45, 7+1 plus two 7-rounders. (22 rounds concealed)
If I carry the larger .45, 8+1 plus two 10-rounders. (29 rounds concealed)
On rare occasions, I have carried both at the same time.
Rarely, a 9mm Glock, 17+1 plus two 17 round mags. (52 Hydra-Shok concealed)
If I carry the larger .45, 8+1 plus two 10-rounders. (29 rounds concealed)
On rare occasions, I have carried both at the same time.
Rarely, a 9mm Glock, 17+1 plus two 17 round mags. (52 Hydra-Shok concealed)
Rocky Road
Retired Screen Name
Jay Baker---
On 24 AUG you wrote:
"I know of two people who were killed because of not having a reload for their handguns. These were NOT LEO shootings."
I second the request made by GRIZ the same day--Some details. please.
Please give a cite on this information. Was it two separate incidents or one? In what city/county/state? When did it happen? I am willing to spend a little time and money to research this one, as I've never gotten a reliable report of such a thing. I mean, a non-LEO, in a shoot out with a bad guy, who ran dry and was slain as a result.
I do know of a couple of LEO incidents which got pretty grim as pertains to sufficient ammo. And one well-reported incident in which an officer killed while IN THE ACT or reloading. He had the ammo, just not the time to get reloaded.
Thanks very much.
RR
PS--Re: the original question: One reload for the primary. Seldom carry a reload for the backup, which I don't ALWAYS carry anyway. I'm a full time LEO, but in and out of the jail a lot, and the backup is often left in the car. I am not blind to the incongruity of going better armed on days off than on duty days.
RR
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On 24 AUG you wrote:
"I know of two people who were killed because of not having a reload for their handguns. These were NOT LEO shootings."
I second the request made by GRIZ the same day--Some details. please.
Please give a cite on this information. Was it two separate incidents or one? In what city/county/state? When did it happen? I am willing to spend a little time and money to research this one, as I've never gotten a reliable report of such a thing. I mean, a non-LEO, in a shoot out with a bad guy, who ran dry and was slain as a result.
I do know of a couple of LEO incidents which got pretty grim as pertains to sufficient ammo. And one well-reported incident in which an officer killed while IN THE ACT or reloading. He had the ammo, just not the time to get reloaded.
Thanks very much.
RR
PS--Re: the original question: One reload for the primary. Seldom carry a reload for the backup, which I don't ALWAYS carry anyway. I'm a full time LEO, but in and out of the jail a lot, and the backup is often left in the car. I am not blind to the incongruity of going better armed on days off than on duty days.
RR
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Rocky Road and Griz, One happened about 15 years ago in the Sierra Nevada of Calif., Inyo County, in which a man unknowingly interrupted a robbery of a bar. Two robbers shot at him, he had a five shot, shot back, ran dry, and one of them capped him.I am not positive of the time but it occured, in the late evening. An INyo Cty. Deputy Sheriff who was a friend of mine, told me of the incident.
The other, occured about six or seven years ago, in Los Angeles. If your Dept. ever rents Officer Survival films from the Los Angeles Sheriff's Dept., see if you can get the film, "Off Duty Survival." The Reserve deputy, who was not on duty at the time, therefore, technically, not authorized to take L.E. action, used a five shot in another interrupted robbery. The result was as tragic as it gets.
Stay safe. J.B.
EDIT: Thinking about it, I have a good friend who's now retired frm LAPD, who was within a second or two of being killed when he ran dry during a bad incident, in Newton Div., (that's when the LAPD officers carried six in their revolvers and 12 extra rounds), but his partner saved him at the last moment.
Again, stay safe out there.
[This message has been edited by Jay Baker (edited August 29, 2000).]
The other, occured about six or seven years ago, in Los Angeles. If your Dept. ever rents Officer Survival films from the Los Angeles Sheriff's Dept., see if you can get the film, "Off Duty Survival." The Reserve deputy, who was not on duty at the time, therefore, technically, not authorized to take L.E. action, used a five shot in another interrupted robbery. The result was as tragic as it gets.
Stay safe. J.B.
EDIT: Thinking about it, I have a good friend who's now retired frm LAPD, who was within a second or two of being killed when he ran dry during a bad incident, in Newton Div., (that's when the LAPD officers carried six in their revolvers and 12 extra rounds), but his partner saved him at the last moment.
Again, stay safe out there.
[This message has been edited by Jay Baker (edited August 29, 2000).]