Documented risks of SOB carry

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Ok, so I have read many, many posts citing the many risks of SOB carry. Most posters say that the risks are well documented and cited, and carrying SOB will almost certainly cause spinal cord injury/paralysis/divorce/etc.

My questions is, where is this documentation? Seriously, I would love for somebody to show me the reference (preferably to a refereed medical journal) showing some of these documented risks.

I am not saying this documentation does not exist, just that I have not seen it anywhere. Maybe some of you who are so quick to say that SOB is obviously going to hurt you would be able to help me out and show where this documentation is.

And, before somebody comes in and says that anybody with common sense or a small amount of medical training should know this, let me say that have a decent amount of medical training, and I like to think common sense as well. I think a spinal cord injury is a lot harder to cause than many think.

So, honestly, I would love to see this documentation. If all you have to say is, "It is obvious," or something like "LE agencies don't carry that way," then please don't. LEO's don't carry that way for lots of other reasons, and the neurological injuries that officers get from sitting in a car most of the day with something on their belt is completely different from the type of injury people talk about with SOB carry.

Thanks.
 
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It does not take a genius to realize that "solid steel object" and "positioned at the base of spine" do not go together. It is pretty much a case of common sense. This is like asking for proof that bashing yourself in the head with a hammer is bad for you. :rolleyes:

If you want to know the risks, join a LE agency. They give you a nice class on injury prevention and SOB carry is addressed as one of the big no-no's due to injuries officer's have received in the past from such carry methods. It can easily turn as simple strained back or bruised heiny into a lifetime of disability.
 
Oh gee, I don't know, how about documented risks preferably from a medical journal, concerning running with scissors.

Unless documented, the risk of running with scissors is not legitimate?
 
This should count

I know a former Fairfield,OH Police Officer who was put on disability because he fell backwards onto his handcuff case. It caused nerve damage around his spine and he could no longer function as a Police Officer.
 
I hear 50,000 Americans each year die in auto accidents..ohmygod and takin a shower???you guys crack me up.
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Surely you are capable of realizing the differences between accidents that occur during mundane, common activities and placing yourself in unnecessary risk?
I know a former Fairfield,OH Police Officer who was put on disability because he fell backwards onto his handcuff case. It caused nerve damage around his spine and he could no longer function as a Police Officer.
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I knew a few that had similar incidents with flashlights. The damage even a small fall on an item like that can cause is astounding. Our next door neighbor is an LEO on disability because he fell and his leg fold up behind him and he landed spine first on the heel of his own shoe. Ouch.
 
PBP, again, saying it doesn't take a genius to agree with you isn't the same as showing something, anything, in the form of documented cases.

Also, saying that you know of somebody who fell on a handcuff case doesn't count as documented evidence.

Look, I am not saying it is impossible, just saying that I would like to see this documented information that apparently is so readily available, but yet can't be found.



So, again, I have read many posts saying that there are many documented cases of spinal cord injury from SOB carry. Where is this information documented?
 
Once again, it does not take a genius to understand the risk. It simply takes a moderate intelligence.

Maybe you are wanting to read people's medical record? or maybe you just want to believe what tyou want to believe and common sense and personal accounts be damned.

Maybe your next post can ask about the documentation to prove the risks of coating yourself with honey and jumping into the brown bear exhibit at the zoo.
 
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Drail, it would appear we are related :rolleyes:

I agree, this poster is either a troll or has some type of information processing deficit. I think we should just move on.
 
...information processing deficit. I like that.

So, I take it that even though it is very easy to say that the risks are well documented, what it comes down to is that by "well documented" you mean that you personally don't think it is a good idea based on your own experience of........

That is what I thought.

For the record, I am a doctor, I have some "basic medical training" as PBP puts it. I spent quite a few years studying this type of injury, and I am asking a sincere question.

If you don't have any evidence other than your personal opinion, then thanks, but I'm not really interested.

What do you say if we lighten up the requirements a little bit? I admit that a published peer-refereed journal article on this most likely doesn't exist. How about if somebody posts a link to a news article showing a spinal cord injury form falling on a gun carried SOB.

Again, saying that you know somebody who fell once doesn't count. This type of injury would make the news, so post a link.

Thanks, and again, I am sincerely trying to find an example of this.

Maybe if you don't have an example, you could save the personal insults for a more appropriate place or time?
 
For the record, I am a doctor, I have some "basic medical training" as PBP puts it. I spent quite a few years studying this type of injury, and I am asking a sincere question.
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Why do I seriously doubt that? Any MD would understand the risks of SOB carry.

I am here at x-mas dinner with my brother-n-law and father-n-law (both MD's) and my brother-n-law asked me to ask what "naturopathic" medical school did you graduate from that you do not understand the basic risks of spinal cord injury.
 
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Back when I was working uniform and driving a marked car it didn't take very long to figure out that wearing a handcuff case on my gun belt in the small-of-the-back wasn't a great idea. Being forced up against a doorway, wall, or other hard surface wasn't particularly enjoyable, either. Rolling onto my back was definitely something to be avoided because of the lump against my lumbar vertebrae.

I wouldn't want to fall onto a hard surface with anything resting against my lumber vertebrae ... but that's just me.

I've known the occasional cop who complained of pain after falling down with something similarly carried on a gun belt against the lower back.

In risk management circles they have a saying, "Predictable is Preventable".
 
What's so dangerous about coating yourself with honey, and jumping in a caged bear's pen?
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Ya' know what? I cannot find a single case of it on the internet so I guess it must be completely safe to do...and I should know. What with me being the King of Canada and all. :D
 
So, PBP, you don't have any examples, I take it. Maybe you could bow out then, instead of insulting????

I'm not asking anyone to believe me. I don't care what you think of me or my opinion, I am asking if anybody has any of these "well documented" (to quote PBP on another post) sources that they could share. If not, then maybe even a SINGLE case in the news?

That is all. Don't believe me if you don't want, I'm only asking if anybody can point me to an example.

Still not quite sure why people are taking this so defensively.
 
I'm not asking anyone to believe me. I don't care what you think of me or my opinion
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That's probably a good thing. Because your level of knowledge does not support your claims of experience.

As for example, there have been several in this thread. You are just choosing to ignore them.
 
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