Do your big-box stores treat you like a baby?

In Oklahoma, we have had Constitutional Carry since November 2019. I may now carry a concealed handgun into Walmart or Academy sans police-issued permit. This is the way it should be all over America. The right to carry concealed, or even open, is covered under "the Right of the People to Keep and Bear Arms shall not be infringed".

BEAR in that clause means CARRY on or about one's person. Requiring paid conceal-carry permits to exercise one's right under the 2nd A is treating this 2nd A right as a taxed privilege.
 
In Oklahoma, we have had Constitutional Carry since November 2019. I may now carry a concealed handgun into Walmart or Academy sans police-issued permit. This is the way it should be all over America. The right to carry concealed, or even open, is covered under "the Right of the People to Keep and Bear Arms shall not be infringed".

BEAR in that clause means CARRY on or about one's person. Requiring paid conceal-carry permits to exercise one's right under the 2nd A is treating this 2nd A right as a taxed privilege.
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You do realize that the 2nd Amendment keeps the government from restricting your right to bear arms. It does nothing to stop private property owners from restricting your right to bear arms. By most legal definitions, you are a guest in those stores. You aren't on a public street. You only have the "right" to carry that way in Walmart or Academy so long as they allow it. They aren't the government. You may have "Contsitutional Carry" since November 2019, but as per Oklahoma statute, Okla. Stat. tit. 21, § 1290.22, any person, property owner, tenant, employer, or business entity can prohibit people from carrying concealed or unconcealed firearms on their property.
 
There was a thread here in the Firing Line a few years ago about people going to shooting ranges, renting a firearm and shooting themselves. It's inconceivable to most of us that some people do things like that. Our local gunshop, the gun sales person carries your newly purchased firearm to the front door. It isn't insulting to me one little teeny bit. It's store policy. Why turn a molehill into a mountain? I could care less about that.
 
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Acknowledged. The private property owner does not have to honor the gun rights of guest individuals under the 2nd A. Arguably, the several states and their respective jurisdictions do, though. Some states, however, are to some extent, limiting the private property owner's right to ban firearms on premises. Texas doesn't allow landlords to ban firearms in tenants' rental homes. GOOD! Some jurisdictions protect the free exercise of people to keep guns in their locked cars in the parking lots of their employers while at work. Private premise holders may someday wise up to the possibility that no-gun policies may draw mass shooters to their premises as steel to a magnet.

I would even favor any legislation, if ever enacted, that gives employees in any vocation the right to be armed, perhaps by concealed carry, at the workplace. I don't feel I should have to be made unarmed and defenseless by employer policy in order to work for a living. Some people carry armed at workplaces with risk to being fired if found out. They figure their life and limb is more valuable than their job security.

Walmart evidentially doesn't want the bad reputation of having their in-store customers get killed by armed criminals and armed loonies on CNN and Fox News without the means to shoot back. And I agree with their concealed-gun-allowing policy.
 
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This same old post came up a few years ago. Seemed some people felt they were unjustly targeted. What nonsense. It is a simple policy and so easy to comply with. And so easy to understand why the Store would have certain safe protocol when dealing with the Public and selling of firearms not to mention the fact that we all know they have "Insurance Policies". Heck, I got walked out when I bought a Pellet rifle. NO BIG DEAL!
If a person is offended by such a simple policy then simply do not buy from there.
I give points to the stores that DO sell firearms. And there is way too much animosity toward big box stores and their employees that sell firearms. If the big box stores keep getting complaints of people that are "Offended" then they might just say the heck with it and just not sell them. I would not doubt it, if in this age of insanity that they may have even had attempts of law suites by People that were "Offended".

Gun rights these days has become downright tough. Always reminds me of the song "Stuck in the Middle with you.
Stuck in the Middle with you,Don't know what I'm gonna do.
Liberals to the left of me
Clowns to the right
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8StG4fFWHqg
 
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Double Naught Spy

Acknowledged. The private property owner does not have to honor the gun rights of guest individuals under the 2nd A. Arguably, the several states and their respective jurisdictions do, though. Some states, however, are to some extent, limiting the private property owner's right to ban firearms on premises. Texas doesn't allow landlords to ban firearms in tenants' rental homes. GOOD! Some jurisdictions protect the free exercise of people to keep guns in their locked cars in the parking lots of their employers while at work. Private premise holders may someday wise up to the possibility that no-gun policies may draw mass shooters to their premises as steel to a magnet.

I would even favor any legislation, if ever enacted, that gives employees in any vocation the right to be armed, perhaps by concealed carry, at the workplace. I don't feel I should have to be made unarmed and defenseless by employer policy in order to work for a living. Some people carry armed at workplaces with risk to being fired if found out. They figure their life and limb is more valuable than their job security.

Walmart evidentially doesn't want the bad reputation of having their in-store customers get killed by armed criminals and armed loonies on CNN and Fox News without the means to shoot back. And I agree with their concealed-gun-allowing policy.
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What does this have to do with your whining about stores carrying guns out for you?
 
Where I work company policy dictates 100% ID check. I “check” IDs on people I literally see every single day. I check IDs on people who are literally going to take 2 steps past my desk and scan in through a card reader. I checked the ID of an Ice Vendor today who used to work for the same company I work for now I trained him.

My point is that it’s company policy and I don’t have an option. If I get caught not checking IDs I lose my job and in this economy and at my age I’m not ready to go out there and try to find another one. I get people that complain about the policy every day I tell them all the same thing “I’m sorry, I have no choice in the matter, if I get caught not doing this I lose my job.

So the next time you run into someone who tells you the have to do something stupid because it’s company policy please don’t take it out on the person who probably agrees with you that it’s a stupid policy but can’t afford to lose the job
 
So the next time you run into someone who tells you the have to do something stupid because it’s company policy please don’t take it out on the person who probably agrees with you that it’s a stupid policy but can’t afford to lose the job.
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Amen.

Walking folks to the door after a gun purchase is one of the silliest reasons to be upset that I've seen in awhile. It is either tied to the behavior of one moron, an insurance policy, or just some pencil pusher's decision.

If I save money on a gun purchase I don't care if they take me out in a stroller.
 
When things get “tough” at a place of business, I notice that it is rarely caused by the employee attempting to provide the service. I’m sure the manager on duty and the sales clerk are thrilled about having to stop what they are doing to walk someone to the front door with a gun. Why get mad at the person who probably wasn’t in on the decision.
This is the epitome of first world problems. Just be happy someone is still selling guns.
 
If anyone is offender by such a practice, I find it odd. Its not hard to imagine how expensive it is to have insurance for an establishment that is full of random people and firearms. If by carrying my rifle to the curb helps mitigate some issues which hamper their ability to sustain the "gun" aspect of their business operation, I am just fine with it. I do not feel damaged, unduly inconvenienced or victimized by such a benign thing.

Regardless of the employee is a 20 yo kid making $7 an hour or an 40 yo former marine making $40 an hour. "Staff" are sometime put into a lower risk category for the purpose of insurance due to the fact that staff often have to follow certain rules, methods and established procedures. "Staff" are not always considered the same as a random stranger walking in off the street.

I cannot speculate whether or not this is the reasoning behind any such "escorts" inside the store but these considerations are not unheard of.

The bottom line is that control is often a very effective mitigation of certain conditions. If the random stranger is not handed his rifle inside the store, he/she wont be monkeying around with it inside the store. I see these things as an effort to lessen risk of accidents and not some sort of anti crime initiative.
 
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John Q. Public can be pretty damn stupid. And God only knows what some would do walking around with a new firearm, rifle, shotgun etc. Heck leaving it in the shopping cart is a risk first of all. Put it in a shopping cart and then leave the cart unattended, or distracted etc. People steal all the time. They walk out of stores with big boxes of merchandise all the time. There are a host of reasons why the store would issue a policy. In fact they would be stupid and careless not to. And the cheap shot at the $7.00 hr clerk is not called for.
 
Put it in a shopping cart and then leave the cart unattended, or distracted etc.
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I'll be honest: I've never considered that. It makes sense that what they are doing is seeing to it that the gun is secured before they consider that they are done with the transaction.
 
He has a gun! Our $7/hour employee will make sure he doesn’t murder anyone with it!!!
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Got to admit, it has been 100% effective in the stores that do this in that the person doesn't murder anybody inside the store. It has been 100% effective in keeping people from misplacing said gun while still inside the store. It has been 100% effective in keeping purchasers from doing anything else stupid with the gun while inside the store. Funny how a $7 employee can stop so much wrong from happening and before you scoff at the concept, having worked in a store where we sold guns, I have seen customers leave guns unattended on counters, attempt to load their newly purchased gun (we didn't sell ammo, BTW), and take their gun out of the box and point their newly purchased gun a random targets while leaving the store. The customer has a new toy and can't wait to have his/her hands all over it.
 
Big box stores are owned by big liability minded big corps. Every time I'd purchased a gun from those places, which was not often, I was escorted out....really makes me feel unwelcomed... I haven't purchased anything form a big box in probably 5+ years if not longer.
 
Again, just be thankful you can still purchase a firearm.

Academy one time about 12 years ago refused to sell me a pistol because when I was looking at it, I handed it to my 1st spouse to feel it’s heft... I get it, I was just unaware that I had ran afoul of any rule. I went back to the same store, to the exact same salesman and bought the very same pistol, lol

BTW, show me an Academy manager that makes $7.00 an hour. I’ll wait the response.

I’ve bought many firearms from Academy. They have always had the best prices.
Every single time I was walked out by the manager on duty.
 
The first time I purchased a rifle from Sportsmans Warehouse (North Carolina) they escorted me to the door with the box.

The second time I had received my NC carry permit which significantly speeds up the purchase process and there was no escort to the door, they marked the box with red tape and said I could continue shopping. I'm not sure if it was a change in policy or just their policy for carry permit holders.
 
I understand the need of large chain stores to protect themselves from liability, but I feel this points to a bigger problem......

Be it either through ignorance or media and government brainwashing, any gun (an inanimate object) is now "scary" and "dangerous". The non-initiated non-gun shoppers fear the appearance of any firearm as if it will at any time go off and kill someone.

Hell, it wasn't too long ago that almost every home had a loaded long gun above the fireplace or next to the back door.....
 
Well, one of those 'despised' big box stores, in my area, has a nice assortment of 9 mm. - (plain vanilla 115 gr.) for $ 19.99 for 50 rnds. - A few small local guns shops have it for -
$ 49.99, for the same brands. Just saying. I do hope they all survive.
 
Be it either through ignorance or media and government brainwashing, any gun (an inanimate object) is now "scary" and "dangerous". The non-initiated non-gun shoppers fear the appearance of any firearm as if it will at any time go off and kill someone.
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Gun shows and some gun stores feel the same way about loaded guns.
 
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