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Do you carry with your own reloads?
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I have been wondering the same thing. i just took the CCW class this past sunday and our instructor also said the same thing. as well as modifying your carry gun as well as a no no due to any lawyer is gonna try and make a marter out of you over it if it comes down to it.
i do still have my reloads in my G23 but when i do start carrying it every day i might rethink it.
i do still have my reloads in my G23 but when i do start carrying it every day i might rethink it.
jrinne0430
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This has been discussed many times here. I think it will boils down to weather or not it was a good shoot...not so much what type of ammo. I reload and cannot make it anymore "deadly" as compared to factory ammo.
NO! I personally carry with factory bought loads. It has been advised by a member of THL Massad Ayoob that no matter what YOU may have as far as load data it will not compare to what the ammo makers have on hand. Anyone can write or enter whatever they want to paper or computer without having the ability to back up their claim. Ammo makers will have what is needed and looked at as gospel in a court of law with regards to powder, primer, bullet type and weight and ALL the TEST DATA from firing
I also with all the care and diligence in reloading have had light loads and misfires. I have yet to have a misfire or light load with factory ammo.
Are you willing to bet YOUR life on a possible 25-life. Not me
I would hope that just about any of us could afford to purchase factory ammo for SD carry
I also with all the care and diligence in reloading have had light loads and misfires. I have yet to have a misfire or light load with factory ammo.
This has been discussed many times here. I think it will boils down to weather or not it was a good shoot...not so much what type of ammo. I reload and cannot make it anymore "deadly" as compared to factory ammo.
Are you willing to bet YOUR life on a possible 25-life. Not me
I would hope that just about any of us could afford to purchase factory ammo for SD carry
Whirlwind06
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I reload to save on range ammo. A box or two of factory SD ammo a year is off set by reloaded practice ammo.
I can reload pretty close to POA and felt recoil to my SD ammo. So I don't see the point.
I can reload pretty close to POA and felt recoil to my SD ammo. So I don't see the point.
I don't think there's a law per-se about not doing it (at least not in NY that I can find), it's just not a good idea. If it comes down to having to use it, and it comes out that home-loaded rounds were used, there's the bedtime story to scare all good little gun owners that some lawyer will push that 'excessive force' was used, i.e., you used too much gunpowder or some other alteration on your part that made the bullet 'more dangerous.' There's always going to be the debate whether all this is myth vs fact, but I feel, why really mess around with it on the chance it's true? Handload all your range ammo, but putting down a few bucks on store ammo for self defense just doesn't seem such like a major deal to take 'premeditation' out of the equation.
http://www.chuckhawks.com/ammo_by_anonymous.htm
This article touches on ammunition for self-defense, and has a short paragraph on handloading. The author of this article discourages it on the basis of reliability, which is another good point. I don't know how 'seriously' I would take the article, as some of it seems written as one man's opinion. There are other suggested readings on the legal end of defensive shooting and related things as well from a few more well-known sources, such as Mr. Ayoob.
Any homebrew on a defense gun probably just isn't a good idea; there's enough BS and red tape to jump through if you've got to defend yourself.
http://www.chuckhawks.com/ammo_by_anonymous.htm
This article touches on ammunition for self-defense, and has a short paragraph on handloading. The author of this article discourages it on the basis of reliability, which is another good point. I don't know how 'seriously' I would take the article, as some of it seems written as one man's opinion. There are other suggested readings on the legal end of defensive shooting and related things as well from a few more well-known sources, such as Mr. Ayoob.
Any homebrew on a defense gun probably just isn't a good idea; there's enough BS and red tape to jump through if you've got to defend yourself.
jrinne0430
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Are you willing to bet YOUR life on a possible 25-life. Not me
I would hope that just about any of us could afford to purchase factory ammo for SD carry
I would like to see some instances where someone involved in a good shoot was prosecuted for using reloads. I am certain there have been cases where someone did use their reloads in a SD situation. This has been discussed many times in detail. Personnaly, I do no use reloads for SD (I tend to have a slightly higher misfire rate as compared to factory)...
I use reloads for HD and for practice, and I carry factory ammo. Generally.
I need to buy a box of .38 Specials because I have carried it once or twice with reloads that are loaded to the same specs as factory ammo (but I can't prove that last part, that's kind of the point.)
During a Zombie Apocalypse, all bets are off and I'll carry whatever I have -- probably reloads and .22LR.
I need to buy a box of .38 Specials because I have carried it once or twice with reloads that are loaded to the same specs as factory ammo (but I can't prove that last part, that's kind of the point.)
During a Zombie Apocalypse, all bets are off and I'll carry whatever I have -- probably reloads and .22LR.
Send a PM to Massad and ask him. He will take the time to answer your question about ammo.I would like to see some instances where someone involved in a good shoot was prosecuted for using reloads
My apologies as to Massad being listed in the members section. You can contact him at the http://www.ayoob.com/
He can also be reached here, http://www.backwoodshome.com/
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jrinne0430
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Send a PM to Massad
I am quite familiar with Massad and his teachings but no case can be shown of any prosecution for a good shoot using reloads. Personally, I would recommend factory (as I stated prior) if for nothing else, reliability and peace of mind.
Massad and others have offered their advice on this many times in the past.
When I'm carrying specifically for defensive reasons, I stick with high quality factory fodder.
The trouble is, I usually carry for purposes other than self-defense. Sure, that same factory stuff will work fine for general purposes, but at a buck a round it's expensive. My handloads are far cheaper to shoot at a ground squirrel, jackrabbit, or a 'coon, and are of equal quality.
In the end, I don't worry about it too much. In town, I carry factory stuff. out of town and around the home place, I carry whatever works.
Daryl
When I'm carrying specifically for defensive reasons, I stick with high quality factory fodder.
The trouble is, I usually carry for purposes other than self-defense. Sure, that same factory stuff will work fine for general purposes, but at a buck a round it's expensive. My handloads are far cheaper to shoot at a ground squirrel, jackrabbit, or a 'coon, and are of equal quality.
In the end, I don't worry about it too much. In town, I carry factory stuff. out of town and around the home place, I carry whatever works.
Daryl
Hasnt Ayoob stated a number of times that while it might come up in court, its not that big a deal and easily nullified?
Ive read lot of his stuff over the years, and I dont remember him putting to much behind it, other than it would probably be easier overall, if you didnt go there.
I personally use my reloads for practice, and use basically what law enforcement carries in the caliber of choice. I normally dont have any issues with my reloads, and if anything, Ive had more troubles with factory, but I dont have all the research and money dumped into them that Federal, Speer, Winchester, etc, do, so Ill pay a little more for their efforts there. Besides, more often than not, you cant get the bullets you'd want to use anyway.
Ive read lot of his stuff over the years, and I dont remember him putting to much behind it, other than it would probably be easier overall, if you didnt go there.
Ive often wondered the same thing. I have reloads you cant tell from factory, and Im sure no one else would either, unless they pulled them apart.Here's a question I don't think I've ever heard someone ask...
"What are the chances that anyone is even going to KNOW it's a reload, as long as you're using good quality bullets and polished "once-fired" brass?"
I personally use my reloads for practice, and use basically what law enforcement carries in the caliber of choice. I normally dont have any issues with my reloads, and if anything, Ive had more troubles with factory, but I dont have all the research and money dumped into them that Federal, Speer, Winchester, etc, do, so Ill pay a little more for their efforts there. Besides, more often than not, you cant get the bullets you'd want to use anyway.
There is nothing "wrong" with carrying reloads but using factory ammo is one less thing to worry about when dealing with our less than perfect legal system.
For me, this is one of the nice things about owning a revolver. I can buy a box of factory ammo, fire a few shots to verify POI, and not worry about whether it will feed reliably. All I normally shoot are handloads whether in the woods or at the range. I have plenty of faith in my handloads. The only reason I even own factory ammo is because I don't have the same faith in prosecutors or jury members who may be anti-gun.
For me, this is one of the nice things about owning a revolver. I can buy a box of factory ammo, fire a few shots to verify POI, and not worry about whether it will feed reliably. All I normally shoot are handloads whether in the woods or at the range. I have plenty of faith in my handloads. The only reason I even own factory ammo is because I don't have the same faith in prosecutors or jury members who may be anti-gun.
Although I am not at present I have in the past carried with reloads. The main reason I am not at present has nothing to do with Ayoob type teachings, but I think that the premium factory loads are better than I can load so I carry the LE Winchester and Federal.
As far as I am concerned the writers need something to write about and the instructors parrot what they say.
I would not hesitate to carry my reloads, and the lawyers and instructors can eat cake.
Regards,
Jerry
As far as I am concerned the writers need something to write about and the instructors parrot what they say.
I would not hesitate to carry my reloads, and the lawyers and instructors can eat cake.
Regards,
Jerry
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