Do you believe there is a U.N. Conspiracy to take over the world?

National sovereignty - who needs that old-fashioned concept anyway? :rolleyes:

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But aren't you worried about all the mindless sheep who shouldn't even gaze upon a firearm unless dictated to do so by a governing authority with an obviously superior understanding of the universe
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Nope, We're gonna start with education, one of the first items on our agenda will be Firearms safety classes in public schools.
Irritates me every time I hear of one kid getting dads gun and accidentally shooting another. When some knowledge would have probably prevented it.
 
Nope, We're gonna start with education, one of the first items on our agenda will be Firearms safety classes in public schools.
Irritates me every time I hear of one kid getting dads gun and accidentally shooting another. When some knowledge would have probably prevented it.
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I don't like your suggestion of parents abdicating their responsibility. What happened to personal responsibility again?
 
What happened to personal responsibility again?
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See we have added classes already. You are so right, Another of my pet peeves is no one is responsible for anything. It is always some one else fault.
I should get off the soap box!
 
So what's to "believe"? The UN is rather open about the eventual desire/goal of global governance. Learn about Agenda 21 and the efforts towards an "American Union" and it's painfully obvious...except to those who are fixated on the idea anything outside their perceptions or opinions is the stuff of "tinfoil". For the rest of us it's a bit more pressing, at least if you don't like the idea.
 
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Nope, We're gonna start with education, one of the first items on our agenda will be Firearms safety classes in public schools.
Irritates me every time I hear of one kid getting dads gun and accidentally shooting another. When some knowledge would have probably prevented it.
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I don't like your suggestion of parents abdicating their responsibility. What happened to personal responsibility again?
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Goes out the window once your lack of it causes other people (who possibly were responsible) harm. For instance, a dumb kid with his dad's gun may just kill himself, or his parents. But he may kill a friend who's over at the house. Perhaps you say that's the friends' parents' fault for letting him over there without supervision? Well the bullet may well leave the house entirely and kill the neighbor's kid. Which is their fault for....living there?

If we're going to have the right to keep and bear arms, and since we have compulsory education anyway, we might as well throw in a couple "how not to be retarded when it comes to firearms" classes. Just my $0.02.

EDIT: As a disclaimer, this line of reasoning only works for me when the actions being taken are not an undue burden on individual liberties. Banning legal firearms ownership to stop negligent discharges by idiot kids is an undue burden...even safe storage laws qualify to me. But education? Seems reasonable.

I went ahead and edited the names in, so the nested quotes were more obvious. Easy mistake to make, given the way nested quotes look with this forum's style. No worries.
 
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Nope, We're gonna start with education, one of the first items on our agenda will be Firearms safety classes in public schools.
Irritates me every time I hear of one kid getting dads gun and accidentally shooting another. When some knowledge would have probably prevented it.

I don't like your suggestion of parents abdicating their responsibility. What happened to personal responsibility again
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I know we disagree and you have even stated your "out to make me look foolish" and perhaps you can but lets least be honest and not take something I have said and place it with part of anothers post to look as if I had made the entire statment.

Better yet Jaun I am going to do my best to avoid this becoming personal. It wasn't to me in the first place.
 
but lets least be honest and not take something I have said and place it with part of anothers post to look as if I had made the entire statment.
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I think it is pretty clearly nested quotes and that Juan was replying to me. No worries.

See we have added classes already. You are so right, Another of my pet peeves is no one is responsible for anything. It is always some one else fault.
I should get off the soap box!
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If you are spreading the word about proper handling and firearm education, STAY ON THE SOAPBOX. My point (if I may rephrase it) is that a gunowner with children in the house should absolutely make sure that it is safe. Initially it is keeping it away from prying hands, later it is educating them in proper use and possibly being able to loosen up on how locked away it is.

It's not that I think it isn't worth a couple hours of public school time to do this, but even then it shouldn't replace home education.

Owning a gun is a right. Owning a gun around children or otherwise uneducated is a responsibility.
 
) is that a gunowner with children in the house should absolutely make sure that it is safe.
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Agreed,
I was having some trouble with the ex's boy not leaving guns alone. he was about 9 or 10. I had killed a deer and when I brought it home I took him and showed him the wound, hide on and then off. I told him Ryan this is what a real gun with a real bullet does not what you see on TV. To my knowledge he never touched a gun again till he was older and then became a hunter.
 
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UN: Members from the "developing countries" are constantly looking for ways to get a slice of what the industrialized countries have or find a way to dilute their national, political and economic power. It's been that way since the 1970's and has been getting worse. Move it to some garden spot (Ivory Coast, Sudan, or Bosnia) and see how many of 'em want to work in the U.N.

Gun Safety Education: A good thing, unless it's run by government officials. The last time I saw a gun training program run by state officials (in California no less) it was for armed security personnel. State officials were (and I'm not making this up) aghast that students were required to shoot at silhoutte targets. When one State official asked why, an LAPD instructor replied "Because, Ma'am, I've never seen a bullseye rob a bank." The revised program was satisfactorily neutered to protect the sensibilities of the old women in kilts who were in charge of the program.
(Would you believe: fire one round into a bullseye, wait 2 seconds to evaluate the effect, fire another single round, repeat. :barf: :barf: )

Autocracy - the concept that one man is wiser than a million men.

Democracy - The concept that a million men are wiser than one man.

Let's play that over -- who decides?
 
Its not a conspiracy that implies a hidden agenda.

The trilateral commissions goal is peace through world govt ( corporate govt)... the reasoning is no country will declare war against another if they are intertwined economically so if we have global corporations with plants and sales in all parts of the world there would be no war because it would be bad for business.

Rockefeller and President Carter were members of the trilateral commission and Rockefeller donated the land the UN is on in NY...draw your own conclusions.
 
The UN is a building full of useful idiots although one could debate the term "useful" in conjunction with "UN". Lots of people, organizations, business interests, and related strap-hangers all have a goal of global government. The UN is merely one mechanism as is central banks and philanthropic organizations. Conspiracy implies hidden. It is not hidden but rather full-monty in-your-face global government.
 
try reading H.G. Wells book New World Order from 70 years ago
check his other political writings well of whats available not all available or in print.

would also recommend
1984
Fahrenheit 451

movies
7 days in May
the lonegunman pilot episode
Syriana

watchout for those with narrow minded filtered paradigm view of the reality in the world. they cannot handle reality they often shout thats tin foil hat or wingnut. going outside your normal paradigmal view can hurt it can produce headaches and other discomforts including fear and paranoia.

I dont think its the UN specificly but they are a tool or card that may be played.

HG wells talks about Utopia quite a bit and its just amazing some stuff he wrote so many years ago pretty informative on todays politics.

there are some sick people in todays world and they are doing some very sick and disturbing things even if they are related or not.

dont take my word read history. try and get away from slanted view. seek balance of powers neither too strong. power corrupts,absolute power corrupts absolutely.

false flag operations have been used historicly for a power grab in ones own state or country while blaming a enemy.

Divide and Conquer.
nothing like dividing a people with partisan hatred.

puppet show with left hand puppet show with right hand. liberty and freedom slide out the trap door.

is the press and media free who owns them take a look
 
Having served on e duty tour as a blue beret and patrolling with a weapon with no ammo.....I say let em come. UN rules of engagement are designed to get good soldiers killed.
 
Having served on e duty tour as a blue beret and patrolling with a weapon with no ammo.....I say let em come. UN rules of engagement are designed to get good soldiers killed.
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Did they at least give you a magazine so it wouldn't be obvious? ;)

I've heard similar stories, though...either no ammunition or crap like 3-round mags. And ROE that make it a better idea to just shoot yourself if you come under fire. Probably why they only give you 3 rounds.


As for the overall topic of the thread, remember that when the UN does it it's uniting the world, not taking it over...right? I personally don't worry as much about the UN as some, because honestly I think they've done at least some good over the years and we (as the US) are in a position of power such that if they want us to do something we really don't feel like we can just tell them to pound sand.

Worth keeping an eye on, I suppose...but hardly something I think about often as a threat.
 
I don't like your suggestion of parents abdicating their responsibility. What happened to personal responsibility again?
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Same thing that happened to responsible parents. More and more you hear of parents who are either being a "friend" to their kids and not a parent, or who don't pay attention at all.
 
Are Pinky and the Brain involved in the UN plot? Sorry, I couldn't resist....

I think if the UN is trying to take over the world, powerful people right here in the US are behind them.
 
Thats all this global warming issue is about. Money changing hands on a global scale. The UN is pushing for a global tax for everyone who uses over a certain amount of emissions. Now I dunno about you guys, but I don't live under UN rule, and any bill I get will quickly be trashed.

The only half decent thing I've seen em do recently was put some more sanctions onto Iran
 
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