Do I want an HK USP 45 or a Sig P220?

good points, but I disagree on the decocker being a problem for lefties (like myself) on models that are decock only. Decocking won't be a "tactical" (for lack of a better vocabulary) move, so it's no big deal for me to reach over and hit it. Safeties and mag releases are of course a different issue.
 
Having own both - I'll say this in response to Ron's input.
Sigs rust and crack. The frame cracking only occurs after extensive, and I do mean excessive use of +P ammo with out proper spring weight... and even then after an ungodly amount of shooting.
Mine started to show some very small hairline cracks starting to develop. That gun had almost 80,000 rounds through it.
Rust. Humid Virginia summer nights can rust anything if you dont take care if it. I got a little rust that started on my rear sight... I fast wipe down cleaned it off and preventive maintanance kept it from coming back.

But you know what?
My HK had its rear sight rust up too... It was coated in rust. I had to take the rear sight out to clean the whole thing.

Fact of the matter is that guns, and all guns, are made of metal and metal will rust. Corrosion is a fact of life.
Its up to the owner to care for the gun and make sure it doesnt happen.
 
Both will rust, both are reliable, both are accurate.

The SIG rusts more easily, but this is not an issue with a home defense gun unless you make it an issue by not maintaining the gun. Both are about equally reliable for me, no stoppages with factory ammo, not one, not of any kind.
Accuracy--here's where the paths diverge. The SIG is so accurate in my hands that this one virtue overshadows most others. I'm simply not a great shot with a handgun yet, but I have no problem dumping nine rounds into 2-3" from 15 yards with the 220. I can't do it with the USP, thought I love the thing.

OTOH, the light would be easier on the USP and replacing the gigantic sights would do a lot for practical accuracy, I suspect. But if the SIG fits your hand better as well, you have no choice here. The SIG will fit your hand and reliably feed and fire ammunition in small groups at point of aim. What else could you want?
 
Great choice Mike Kilo Niner; thanks for purchasing a Sig!!!

Respectfully,
Ala Dan, N.R.A. Life Member
 
MK9, Last year I chose between a USPc45 and a P245. Both seemed like fine pistols, but I liked the carry options of the HK, and it fit a little better in my hand.

I really like the P220, especially versus the P245. It fits great in my hand. I have not handled a full size USP45, so I can't compare. I think the USPc45 is large enough. I might lean towards the P220, but obviously you need one of each :).
 
"The Sig fits my hand like a glove."

"The Sig had the nicer DA trigger pull, but their SA seemed more or less equivalent."

"The Sig's push-button mag release is easier to manipulate (when reversed for a lefty) than the USP's ambidextrous lever."

Sound like you've made your decision already.
 
If the ability to mount a light is an issue, Sig has recently released the P220 ST, which has a base to mount a light on the frame.

If the HK is too big for your hand, have you considered the USP .45 compact?
 
concur with ala dan and blades67.

Shot both extensively and the nod goes to the P220 WAD.

More accurate and beautiful design.

Just get a newer P-220 and oil it up regularly. Sig has been struggling with finished for a while.

But if you like 1911 controls, the HK is nice too.
 
P220 WAD

concur with ala dan and blades67.

Shot both extensively and the nod goes to the P220 WAD.

More accurate and beautiful design.

Just get a newer P-220 and oil it up regularly. Sig has been struggling with finished for a while.

when i shot my P-220 regularly offhand 2-3 inch groups at 25 yards.

But if you like 1911 controls, the HK is nice too.
 
Sig's push-button mag release is easier to manipulate (when reversed for a lefty) than the USP's ambidextrous lever.
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I've found that leaving the magazine release button on the left side is faster. I use my index finger to release a magazine and I don't have to change my grip in any way. As an added bonus this keeps my finger off the trigger during reloads without thinking about it.
 
I'm surprised no one has made an issue of the HK recoil system. The USP .45 I shot kicked like a 9. It felt like a comped gun. A gent in my IDPA club alternates between his and a P7. Watching him shoot full ball .45 loads so quickly is really impressive.
 
The HK has a safety and a decocker. The Sig has no safety. For some people, that's an issue. For others, no.

Both triggers are heinous compared to any 1911.
 
Born lefty

I shot them both and went with the HK never looked back or wondered what if I had gottened the Sig.
Im very satisfied with it.;)
 
I took a new 220ST out and shot a perfect qual score out of the box in the first 60 rounds fired from the gun, better than I used to do with a six inch Model 66 Smith revolver years ago, and that thing was a tack driver. The 220ST and any 220 for that matter is a fine weapon. HKs are good too, but they DO have POOR customer service. If you are not a member of DELTA or a BIG metro PD they don't seem to have time for you.
 
>>> how accurate is the sig p220 form 25 yards and sand bagged

Gun Tests and some others have gotten average groups of just under 2" - best I've seen is 1.3"
The HK is also extremely accurate, and a lot of .45's now shoot sub 2.5" groups.

All my friends thought I was nuts to sell my Colt Gold Cup Series 70 - until they tried the P220.

I'm lefty but shoot righty, when I was in the Army we still used M1911's and they're not exactly lefty friendly.
 
You want the HK USP .45.;)

If it helps any, the HK will work in any condition. You should check out some of the testing this thing's seen! For example, a bullet was lodged in the barrel of a USP .40 and they fired another one behind it to clear the jam. The gun survived and its accuracy was unaffected. This is one of many tests.:eek:
 
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