Do handguns suck?

Hmm, yes, well in that case, every tool or invention since the stone age sucks. Pistols included. Everything breaks or craps out when used enough. The chair youre sitting in, the monitor youre looking at, and the legs you stand with.

Sooner you learn this, the sooner you can get on with life.
 
And as to the survival of the fittest theory - how do you explain the continuing existance of Lorcin and Jennings while Dan Wesson has gone down how many times?

Easy! in addition to "Darwins theory" we must also remember "Barnums theory" also has an influence ;)
 
Dan Wesson sold (sells) mostly to serious competition shooters (never a big percentage of the market) and since they were making high-quality products with special features they had to charge a lot.

The average handgunner will take a $250 gun that shoots pretty good over a $900 gun that shoots great. Not because they don't know the difference, but because it's easier to spend $250 without mortgaging your marriage...

As for the Lorcin/Jennings buyers. They are sold to people who have a few bucks to spend and want to carry some shiny metal in their pocket for security. Not to shooters.

There are a lot more people in the Lorcin/Jennings buying group than there are shooters. And, there are a lot more shooters than there are shooters who will fork over the bucks for the type of quality that Dan Wesson was selling.
 
Why have Jennings and Lorcin taken off when Dan Wesson has started over again and again? Because for every "knowledgeable gun owner and enthusiast" in America there is a criminal/gang banger who has to shoot something!
Sorry, that was not intended as a slam against criminals/gang bangers.....K? No flaming aloud. :D

We are a "media hungary" society. Face it, we have heard the negative/bad/evil/gruesome side of the world for so long .....the only thing it seems we pay attention to is the bad stuff. Everyone so far has been absolutely correct...for every 1 bad gun made by every maker there are 100-1000 that are flawless. You dont pay attention to my CZ 83 or Taurus PT 940 not having one hiccup in either of their lifetimes......doesnt matter.

Oh, and I have seen an actual Glock KB...out of the hundreds/thousands I have seen/shot/been around at ranges
1 actually did it. The kid shooting it was ok..thank god for safety glasses and YES it was a .40.

Shoot well
 
one word RUGER....

I bought a used GP100 for $239,my friend bought a new DanWesson>$450....he sent his back twice because it would lock up and/or light strike 75% of the time.Everyone who shootsmy GP says it's the MOST ACCURATE GUN they've ever shot.Some of these guys spent >$1000 on they're guns.......give me an affordable reliable gun over an overpriced POS w/ a fancy name anyday!!(no flame intended) :D
 
What's an acceptable failure rate?

I still find a little value in the griping that goes on, because at the root of the question is what is the failure rate or average lifespan. Griping is the only thing that comes close to this. But to have a rate or lifespan, you have to compare it to it's success rate. So popularity/sales volume/usage rates all come into play.

But, I wouldn't let failure rate scare me from buying any firearm from a major manufacturer. The rates are so low that they are acceptable to me. Exceptions might be new models, and then failures are taken care of. It just costs you time, frustration, hassle, money. But chances are that it'll fail at the range, not the street because 99.99 % of the rounds are fired there.

If guns and ammo weren't so expensive and have such long life spans better studies could be done. They aren't largely because the rate is so low/life is so long.

Let's quit this subject and all agree to start our own tests on our own guns. I'll meet you all back here after you have put 75,000 rounds downrange!
 
Conspiracy theory?

It wouldn't take much for me to believe that a large portion of the gripers who post "statistics" and "facts" describing how some pistol or another sucks badly are really covert representatives of the various gun manufacturers.

How else can one explain the Beretta myths, the Glock myths, the 1911 myths? When you read some of these posts you'd swear the poster was on a holy jihad of some kind. Its *got* to be a conspiracy!
 
Guns are made by humans, which means they will eventually break. The same can be said for just about anything including cars, remote controls, and dish washers. So what?

Hand me a Glock 19 and a Sp-101 and I have a feeling with proper care they ain't gonna break anytime soon.
 
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