Do Away with Pulbic schools (indoctrination centers)

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IMHO, parents already have the right to choose their kids education. The government provides a "free" education but it's not mandated that your kid attend. You are perfectly free to choose the private/charter school of your choice. I see no reason to fund your private/charter program with tax dollars when you made the choice that the "free" education being provided wasn't what you wanted for your kid. IMO, it's like asking for gas reimbursement for driving your kid to school because the free bus system wasn't up to your standard. None of this is meant to imply that there don't need to be improvements in public education, but I can't support tax dollars going for private education through vouchers or any other scheme. It's a choice you make.



Before the flames start rising everyone in my family went to public school.
 
Then we can make all the poor people learn all they need to know from their churches. That way it will be alot easier to control them.
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The opiate of the masses.:D

WilddownwithspetsnyandwreckersAlaska
 
Then we can make all the poor people learn all they need to know from their churches. That way it will be alot easier to control them.
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Actually the current public schools are doing a fine job of mindless control
without religions help.
 
Teach your kids all the things they really need to know at home. Send them to public school to learn how to get along with other people and how to put up with the ridiculous BS that they will daily be exposed to in the real world.
 
Teach your kids all the things they really need to know at home. Send them to public school to learn how to get along with other people and how to put up with the ridiculous BS that they will daily be exposed to in the real world.
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Exactly. Education at school is only part of the job, no matter what facility is doing it.
 
The thing with public schools is not that they're all bad. It's that some are good and some are bad. You have school choice and people who can and who care about their kids choose the good schools. The peculiar thing is that in order to choose a school, you have to put your address in the geographical area the school serves. Its a cumbersome system.


You can't send your kid to any school you can afford; you can live anywhere you can afford and choose your kid's school that way. It's a distortion of the price system, I guess, but the price system still operates.


If you then want to change schools, you have to sell your house and move. That's really cumbersome, so pick the school you're sure you'll like. Another issue is that as your kid gets older, he'll move from elementary to middle school and then to high school. I guess it's possible you might like one of these but not another.


I'm not completely sure it's a bad system. Schools are or become bad because they serve neighborhoods inhabited by problematic people with problematic kids. You don't want to live there anyway. So, when you move to a good neighborhood, you tend to get good public schools. It's kind of a package deal.


True, if you have special philosophical/moral priorities or you want single-sex education or something like that, you'll have to go private.
 
Folks, you are all missing the real issue here. Public schools are bad because the people have delegated their responsibility to educate their own children. :barf: In England, "Public schools" are private and funded by the parents of the students. Scholarship is mandatory and discipline strong. Parents moniter the curriculum and everyone is satisfied. Problem children are simply expelled, and the students don't have to associate with riff-raff.:)

Here, we decided that the government should be in charge of the schools. Have you ever seen the government do anything better than private industry? :barf: You the parent are responsible for the education of your children. Not the government. They are your kids, you made 'em, you train 'em.:eek: Pay for the schools instead of paying taxes for the schools. If I had $13,000 a year to spend on my child's education, you can bet He'd get a better education. My grandchildren have been home schooled with approved materials by their mother. My oldest granddaughter graduated from U.C. Davis and is a teacher. My next granddaughter is finishing her 2nd year of college at the age of 17.

Private schools are successful schools, if we could afford them it would be the best solution, next to home schooling.:)

Incidently, how did we get on the subject of religion? That's a personal choice and not for the school to teach at all. Including non-science like evolution. It is not scientific fact, it doesn't even meet the criteria for a theory. Look up scientific theory sometime.
 
it goes on the subject because an important facet of the public school system is that children are taught how the world really works, not how an oversized cult fantasizes that it works. the school's job in that case is to teach science, not religion.

intelligent design is religion
evolution is science

Parents can teach their children whatever they want but taxpayer dollars should only be teaching the truth. In either case that taxpayer money should be coming strictly from the states and staying within the states. If a state wants to teach creationism in science class then hopefully either people will wake up to that brand of idiocy or it will show the rest of the country why states like Alabama and Georgia are on the bottom rungs of a very foolish ladder.
 
Evolution, like atheism(regardless of how much the faithful chant otherwise) is just another religious belief system, and one whose underpinnings are beginning to fall apart. Regardless, I've helped to do away with the indoctrination camps by sending my children to a private school. So did my parents. So have my siblings. The tendency has spread to some of our friends and extended family. THAT is how we kill the corrupt and incompetent government school system...

Unless, of course, the government simply clamps down on all alternatives...or keeps jacking property taxes to pay for the abominations until nobody can afford any alternative.
 
Actually, the government doesn't mind you sending your kid to private school or even home schooling them. Less work for the government to do. They still get your money.


Sure, evolution's got a few problems. It's not a difference between proven and unproven. Or even scientific or unscientific. The difference is that creation or design requires a creator or a designer whereas unguided evolution doesn't. Those who are offended by the idea of a designer or a creator naturally prefer an explanation that doesn't require such an entity. It may not be any more scientific, but it's creator-free.
 
Evolution, like atheism(regardless of how much the faithful chant otherwise) is just another religious belief system, and one whose underpinnings are beginning to fall apart.
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lol I can never get enough of seeing statements like this. depressing, but hilarious.

Those who are offended by the idea of a designer or a creator naturally prefer an explanation that doesn't require such an entity. It may not be any more scientific, but it's creator-free.
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Uh no, we naturally prefer an explanation that has evidence and can be supported by science. No one claims that evolution is "unguided" because the idea of a higher power is mutually exclusive with science.

And yes, it is more scientific. In fact it's the only idea that's scientific because it's the only one the evidence points to. Everything else isn't theory or hypothesis, it's faith. You wanna teach your kid at home that evolution was guided by god or allah or vishnu? Go right ahead but public funds will NOT be used to tell that to a child in school. That's one of the few advantages of the public education system. It mandates that science class will only teach science.

While I do feel that public schools should go back into the hands of the states I worry about the poor children in back asswards states that will put an "intelligent design" preface on a chapter about evolution. :rolleyes: Y'all wanna talk about real indoctrination? Dangerous indoctrination? Look at the churches.
 
Alright redworm lets agree on what is science. An experiment that is double blind and the results of which are able to be duplicated by an impartial researcher. Now show me the science of evolution. Show me even one instance where any species can be shown to evolve into another species. If you listen carefully, you will hear statements like."some scientists think ...", or "some have said that ...", or "It is thought that...". the fact is that an international conclave of biological scientists at the Hague, after 4 weeks of deliberations have concluded that Darwin was wrong. there is no evidence that "natural Selection" produces any genetic change in any species. If that is "how the world really works" prove it.

Evolution is the religion of the God haters. "there are none so blind as those who will not see":) And WA leave religion out of this forum, it's about guns not God.
 
[...] lets agree on what is science. An experiment that is double blind and the results of which are able to be duplicated by an impartial researcher.
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You really should try again. I don't think anyone would agree with that definition.
 
MaGille

Your statement is really off base.

Science is also the art of gathering evidence and information that can lead to a logical conclussion supported by physical evidence.

You are making the mistake of confusing physical law with general science.

Science is very much about gathering information, forming hypothesis, and seeing if the facts can support these hypothesis. Sciene is also fluid. It changes and evolves as new information is found. Science is all about questioning and then re-questioning.

Religion is the antithesis of this. It is conclusion without verification or question. It is simply a presented set of beliefs that are not to be questioned. It is based on faith and not fact or evidence.

Evolution is very much supported in fossil record. There are many species that can very easily be shown to evolve. Horses for one. the information is there is you are willing to look at it. Unfortunately, religion has a bad habit of discouraging people from seeking information.

Just like with the Shroud of Turin. It was turned over once for testing and when it was proven to be a fake it was hidden away never to be seen by scientific hands again. Instead of excepting that it was a fraud they chose to hide the item from scrutiny and continue to support and propogate the falicy. That is how religion works.

Scientists love when something is proven wrong. it gives them a chance to start all over again and learn new things.
 
Evolution, like atheism(regardless of how much the faithful chant otherwise) is just another religious belief system, and one whose underpinnings are beginning to fall apart.
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Some folks just dont hanker to genetics ;)

WildlysenkoAlaska
 
Evolution is the religion of the God haters. "there are none so blind as those who will not see" And WA leave religion out of this forum, it's about guns not God.
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Geez and every time I think we have a chance to go mainstream again :)

WildcooptingthemovementAlaska
 
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