DNC national security plan

It occurs to me that it wouldn't really be fair of me to make the claim without leaving proof. I'll drop some votes and pick it back up on Monday.

Republicans: weak on defense

Democrats offered amendments to shift $322 million from reconstruction to safety equipment for U.S. troops in Iraq (Sen. Dodd) and to shift $4.6 billion from Iraqi reconstruction to support and safety for our troops including critical funding for repairing and replacing the critical equipment for combat in Iraq (Rep. Obey). Both of these efforts were rejected by Republicans. [RC 376, S.Amdt. 1817 to S. 1689, 49-37, 10/2/03; H.R. 3289, House Vote #547, 10/16/03.] Rejected 209-216]

Democrats succeeded in providing an additional $213 million to the army for the procurement of up-armored Humvees only because less than half the Republicans crossed the aisle to make it happen. [RC 108, S.Amdt. 520 to S. 1268, 61-39, 4/21/05]

Bush drastically under-funded not only the National Guard and reserves, but also the Coast Guard. You remember them? The ones actually doing the fighting? In the middle of the War on Terror(tm)!

Bush "forgot" to budget VA for the returning vets from Iraq. Testimony of Secretary of Veterans Affairs before Senate Veterans Affairs Committee, 6/28/05]

I'm not the first one to ask about a Republican "plan". The Dems have been ignored for years about this.
Democrats Call for a Comprehensive Strategy to Win the Global War on Terror. In contrast to the Bush Administration's piecemeal approach, Democrats have advanced a comprehensive U.S. strategy to win the war on international terrorism. This strategy calls for increasing Army special operations forces, curbing terrorist financing, preventing the growth of radical Islamic fundamentalism, and advancing U.S. interests through diplomacy and development in the Middle East, Central Asia, South Asia, and Southeast Asia. Democrats have introduced measures to increase foreign language expertise to meet the challenges of international terrorism and have called for the establishment of a commission to develop a set of metrics for measuring success and assessing U.S. efforts in the war on terror. [Targeting Terrorists More Effectively Act of 2005 (S. 12); Reid, Akaka Amendments to S. 1042, Vote. #413 to H.R. 2800; Vote #194 to S. 2845, Vote #203 to H.R. 1815, Vote #413 to H.R. 2800]

So if you think that the stuff outlined above was a "stunt"....think again. They've been getting voted down for years trying to get this stuff.

Democrats also have called on the Administration to undertake all efforts necessary to security 100 percent of former USSR weapons-grade nuclear materials by 2008. [Cooperative Proliferation and Interdiction and Conventional Threat Reduction Act (S. 1949)]

What did he do instead? On the Bush Administration's watch, North Korea has withdrawn from the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty, kicked out international inspectors monitoring rods containing nuclear material, and quadrupled its nuclear arsenal. Expert estimate North Korea's stockpile has grown from one to two weapons to at least 8 and perhaps as many as 12 weapons.
The Administration has been unable to develop a coherent policy toward North Korea. As a result, the North Korean threat has grown and America has been made less secure.

Democrats have advanced intelligence reform initiatives, as recommended by the bipartisan 9/11 Commission, to increase coordination and information sharing among intelligence agencies as well as efforts to ensure effective Congressional oversight of U.S. intelligence activities. Democrats have pushed for bipartisan examinations of the role of policymakers in the development and use of intelligence related to Iraq and to the NSA wiretapping program. [Vote #191, #192, #193, #195, #196 to S. 2845 Vote #287 to H.R. 2658; Vote #395 to H.R. 3289]

Meanwhile, Bush has been illegally spying on Americans without a warrant and the Republicans in congress are trying to make it legal instead of protecting our rights.

Since 9/11, Senate Democrats have repeatedly tried to make homeland security a top budget priority. For example, Sen. Joe Lieberman (D-CT) offered an amendment to the FY 2006 Budget Resolution to provide an additional $8 billion for homeland security, including $1.6 billion for first responders, $1 billion for transit and rail security, $1 billion for enhanced bioterrorism preparedness, $400 million for Port Security Grants, and $150 million for chemical security. House Democrats have also fought to make homeland security a top priority. House Democrats have also repeatedly fought for homeland security as a top priority. For example, Rep. Bennie Thompson (D-MS) offered a Democratic substitute to the FY 2006 Homeland Security Authorization. The substitute included an additional $6.9 billion for homeland security, including meeting the commitments of the 9/11 Act, such as $380 million to ensure 2,000 additional Border Patrol agents; $160 million for securing air cargo; and $92 million for radiation portal monitors.

Bush Republicans in the Senate Defeated the Amendment by a Vote of 43 to 53. [Senate Vote #59, 3/16/06]
Bush Republicans in the House Defeated the Substitute by a Vote of 196 to 230. [2005 House Vote #187, 5/18/05]

Senate Democrats have repeatedly fought to increase port security investments. For example, Sen. Patty Murray (D-WA) offered an amendment to the FY 2005 Homeland Security Appropriations bill to increase funding for Port Security Grants by $300 million. House Democrats have fought for port security. Since 9/11, House Democrats have repeatedly tried to increase investments in port security. For example, Rep. Martin Sabo (D-MN) offered an amendment to the FY 2006 Supplemental Appropriations bill to increase port security funding by $825 million. The amendment includes $400 million to place radiation portal monitors at all U.S. ports of entry.

Bush Republicans in the Senate Blocked the Amendment, by a Vote of 45 to 49. [2004 Senate Vote #171, 9/9/04]
Bush Republicans in the House Defeated the Sabo Amendment by a Vote of 208 to 210. [2006 House Vote #56, 3/16/06]

There's much, much more to follow on Monday.
 
The Murray amendment was grossly overbudget and didn't pass.

Was the Sabo amendment only for Homeland defense?

Where is all this money coming from? Is this your responsible alternative?
 
Where is all this money coming from? Is this your responsible alternative?
Didn't say it was "my" alternative. Just pointing out that the RNC is worse on national security than the DNC. Case in point your quote above. Who's too cheap to pay for national security now?
 
Since 9/11, Senate Democrats have repeatedly tried to make homeland security a top budget priority. For example, Sen. Joe Lieberman (D-CT) offered an amendment to the FY 2006 Budget Resolution to provide an additional $8 billion for homeland security, including $1.6 billion for first responders, $1 billion for transit and rail security, $1 billion for enhanced bioterrorism preparedness, $400 million for Port Security Grants, and $150 million for chemical security. House Democrats have also fought to make homeland security a top priority. House Democrats have also repeatedly fought for homeland security as a top priority. For example, Rep. Bennie Thompson (D-MS) offered a Democratic substitute to the FY 2006 Homeland Security Authorization. The substitute included an additional $6.9 billion for homeland security, including meeting the commitments of the 9/11 Act, such as $380 million to ensure 2,000 additional Border Patrol agents; $160 million for securing air cargo; and $92 million for radiation portal monitors.

Wow!! That's a LOT of spending!!!! Which programs were they going to cut back in order to achieve these things??? Social Security?? Welfare?? Education??? Environmental Protection??? oh....waitaminit....those are THEIR programs...they can't cut THOSE!!!!! It certainly couldn't be from the military budget...I mean...that's what they want to STRENGTHEN isn't it?? I guess it only leaves one solution...a tax increase.
 
DunedinDragon, a tax increase would beat the $2,691,236,150 of debt Bush has given us.
To spend money, you need money. Tax cuts are great, except when you spend more while taking in less.

Disclaimer: This is not an endorsement of our current tax scheme.
 
Didn't say it was "my" alternative. Just pointing out that the RNC is worse on national security than the DNC. Case in point your quote above. Who's too cheap to pay for national security now?

Congress is too cheap to pay for security, much less cognitively aware enough to design effective security. Do you know what sort of goodies were attached to these amendments that were supposed to protect us? Do you know specifically how they're approval was going to make us safer? Again, do you know where all the money was supposed to be found for funding?
 
Wow. History does in fact repeat itself. This sounds like the 1968 Presidential election. Remember? Nixon had "a secret plan to end the war", and Hubert Humphrey made noise about the same thing. In the end, the "plan" was so secret that neither one of them knew what it was.

C'mon, guys. This is all about who has the power and who gets to spend the money. Congress could tax us at 110% of our income and the southern border would still look like an 8 lane freeway.

Both sides are sticking their legs out into the aisle to trip up the other. Why? It's not because both sides accidentally screw up and come out with a good idea, its exactly because one side does not want the other to look good to the voters.

ITS CALLED A LIE!
 
Is there any hope for our future?

Infighting and mudslinging tells me that they are simply fighting for a bigger cut of the pie. I doubt either is truly dedicated to the security of our Nation, it's heritage or future. Is there really much difference between the "mainstream" Republicans and Demos these days?

Why can't someone with some integrity and principles run for office?

I think the Republicans need to take a step back and then move right-way right. I used to be GOP, but it is harder every day to not think outside the two-party box.

Shooter429
 
429,
I think that this is a subject for another thread. I have an opinion on the matter but I don't want to threadjack this one.

Martigan,
Congress is too cheap to pay for security, much less cognitively aware enough to design effective security.
I'll agree with you on the second part, but the first? This is proof positive that both sides of the aisle are more than willing to spend huge sums of money on nearly anything. My comment was really aimed at you (nothing personal), first complaining that the Dems in particular are too cheap to pay for security then balking at the price tag yourself.
Do you know what sort of goodies were attached to these amendments that were supposed to protect us? Do you know specifically how they're approval was going to make us safer?
Yes and yes, but feel free to look any one of these up yourself. The entire congressional record is online
Again, do you know where all the money was supposed to be found for funding?
It was specified in most of the legislation. Some was to be diverted from rebuilding Iraq, some from discretionary spending, and some from taxes. There was actually alot more legislation than just what I posted.
Point is: I'm not necessarily endorsing the Dem approach or attacking it. I'm just saying that they *do* have a plan for security that's every bit as real as the RNC plan. Whether or not you or I happen to agree with it is another matter. The fact that they've been trying to push for years to get it passed while being shot down by the entire GOP-controlled federal government just goes to show the fundamental hypocrisy of the claim that they "have no agenda".
 
Drug runners and illegal aliens come across our borders. Does anyone here believe that this administration has a security plan other than a dog and pony show to make us "feel" safer.
 
'll agree with you on the second part, but the first? This is proof positive that both sides of the aisle are more than willing to spend huge sums of money on nearly anything. My comment was really aimed at you (nothing personal), first complaining that the Dems in particular are too cheap to pay for security then balking at the price tag yourself.
Perhaps you would be kind enough to quote the statement in which I was "first complaining that the Dems in particular are too cheap to pay for security." There is also a difference between balking at a price tag and a desire to know from where specific funding originates. I want to know where the money is coming from, and I want to know what the legislation will specifically do. That's not much to ask.

Yes and yes, but feel free to look any one of these up yourself. The entire congressional record is online
I kind of doubt that you do. I think you may be putting too much faith into leftist think tanks. Here the reality of just one of your precious security amendments(Sabo's) that was voted down by the mean old republicans:
AMENDMENT PURPOSE:
An amendment to increase funding for the relocation of personnel and equipment of the CBP related to the New Orleans laboratory facility and for the repair and replacement of critical equipment and property damage caused by Hurricane Katrina by $700 million, to increase funding for "Operating Expenses" of the US Coast Guard for necessary expenses related to the consequences of Hurricane Katrina and other hurricanes of the 2005 season by $125 million, to increase funding for "Administrative and Regional Operations" of FEMA for necessary expenses related to the consequences of Hurricane Katrina by $300 million and to increasefunding for "Preparedness, Mitigation, Response and Recovery" of FEMA for necessary expenses related to the consequences of Hurricane Katrina by $100 million.
That's just according to the LOC, though.



As for the rest, The Dems have the same line they usually have--throw money at the problem, or better yet, throw other people's money at the problem and define the actual plan later on. There is a reason the saying goes
"The democrats are a party of no ideas, while the republicans are a party of bad ideas." But on the bright side, they all want your money. :D
 
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As for the rest, The Dems have the same line they usually have--throw money at the problem, or better yet, throw other people's money at the problem and define the actual plan later on.

as opposed to the Republicans who ignore the problem? Im sure that the Border Patrol and the LEOs on the border wouldnt mind having some money thrown thier way for border security..lol.
 
as opposed to the Republicans who ignore the problem? Im sure that the Border Patrol and the LEOs on the border wouldnt mind having some money thrown thier way for border security..lol.
Niether on eof them sees border security as a problem right now. They both see the softline as a way to attarct the hispanic vote. After the role it played in the 2004 election, they aren't ready to alienate it just yet. In fewer words, they are more concerned with keeping their jobs than with doing their jobs.
 
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