Disturbing News on the "Gun Control" Front

Carl Rowan; double standards....

I recall a event many years ago where a gun-control loving, anti-2A newspaper writer in the metro Washington DC area; Carl Rowan(check spelling) was exposed as a fraud when he used a HANDGUN to scare away a prowler next to his backyard pool. Rowan was exposed as a 2 faced jerk. He claimed the handgun was given to him by his son(a former FBI Special Agent) for protection.

I'm not sure of her name but I also read a item of gun control group exec who got a lot of bad PR because she got her son a AR rifle as a gift.

I watched a older YouTube video of a anti-gun rally where a state senator from CA spoke. In the clip's description the member wrote that the CA elected offical's young daughter was arrested & facing trial for armed robbery.

I'm sure there are a lot more examples out there.

Clyde
 
I'm just pointing out how they'll divide and conquer us.
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No, you just showed that you can be tricked into BEING divided and conquered. As the above poster stated, lots of us hunters are much more concerned with the 2A issues than you think.

You WERE generalizing, and that doesn't work with this topic.

It's that kind of thinking that got us terms like "assault weapon".
 
I agree that we have to be forever vigilant and stand together to prevent further gun control.

Several earlier pointed out they would accept mandatory NICS for every firearm transaction. Their feeling being that the govt is indeed destroying all those records 24 hours after the transaction because "it is against federal law" for them to keep them. Sorry but I don't share their belief that the govt always follows all of the laws it passes.

Personally, I have no use for a 30 round mag nor any of the AR style rifles nor a tacticool shotgun. However, I will defend to the death your right to own them.

As to proposed legislation, take a little heart as the Dems are NOT 100% anti-gun. One of the reasons Harry Reid was re-elected was the support of the NRA. Now, that really ticked me off when they did it, but now I do understand it.
 
Regarding the Washington Post article, and today's US media in general, I'm troubled by the consistent and relentless demonizing of the NRA. The purpose of course is the weakening and eventual destruction of the organization.
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OTOH I'd argue that another big factor is that scapegoating the NRA helps to mask their own shortcomings, notably their inability to organize a viable, coherent, and credible counter-organization.
 
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The demonization of us in the press has a deeper, more sinister, goal folks.
Let's go back to that Mormon History lesson.
People all the way up to the President were notified of the uncostitutional persecution going on, they were unwilling to fight for them because they were so unpopular.
There were good, decent, kind people all around them who sympathised with them. These people supported them initially then faded because they too were targeted and demonized. Once again, starting to sound familiar? Eventually they stopped fighting and just wanted things to go back to safe and normal, so they looked the other way. We need to fight against this right now! before any support is intimidated away.
 
gun sales records/ATF/toll roads....

I'm a bit leery of a govt based record of firearm sales or a claim that any records would be destroyed in 24hrs.

To me, it's like the govt(local-state-federal) saying they won't use toll road or highway camera records in criminal court cases/criminal investigations.
I've seen media events where they HAVE used these pictures or documents to ID someone.
In the UK, they are more strict about destroying traffic camera records & they can't admit them in criminal court actions.

CF
 
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I'm just pointing out how they'll divide and conquer us.
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No, you just showed that you can be tricked into BEING divided and conquered. As the above poster stated, lots of us hunters are much more concerned with the 2A issues than you think.

You WERE generalizing, and that doesn't work with this topic.

It's that kind of thinking that got us terms like "assault weapon".
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Yes, I get it. Lots of hunters are very concerned with 2A issues. But not all hunters have contacted their representatives. Not all hunters will. Not all casual shooters will either. I have friends in IL who have their FOID cards, DO NOT own a gun, know nothing about IGOLD, the McDonald vs Chicago ruling, the ISRA, or the recent ruling about Illiinois' ban on concealed carry.

I'm positive three out of the four people I'm thinking of had no idea Illinois legislators were trying to pass anti-gun bills in this lame duck session (IL HB815 and HB1263) Some gun owners (again, not those on TFL, home of Gun Enthusiasts) think all guns are register to the owner.

The only way our rights can be trampled upon, is if enough lies are said, enough times, to the right ill-informed people. I stand with all law-abiding gun owners and support the Constitution of the USA. And I can see through the gun grabbers' lies.
 
But not all hunters have contacted their representatives. Not all hunters will. Not all casual shooters will either.
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And do you think a majority of "tactical" shooters, or the partisan chest-beaters at the gun show have?

I deal with a huge cross-section of the gun culture, and I can tell you we're lucky if 5% of gun owners can even name their representative, much less even vote. Of that 5%, you'd be surprised how many are "Fudds" or hunters.
 
And do you think a majority of "tactical" shooters, or the partisan chest-beaters at the gun show have?
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Absolutely not, and that's precisely what I mean. Your 5% number is probably right. I'm just trying to say that the gun banning politicians, with the help of the media, try to pass their bills, believing the numbers are on their side. The media is doing their part by promoting gun control, and ignoring guns used in a positive manner. Since most people get their info from 15 second soundbites on the nightly news, it's easy to sway the general public to believe guns are evil, and therefore should be "regulated".

In other words, law abiding-gun owners, no matter what segment of the "culture", should stick together, and realize that an infringement on a right is an injustice, no matter what.
 
Many are hunters. Guys in the trap & skeet crowd have money, and they have the ears of politicians, particularly on the local level. Most want no restrictions on the 2A whatsoever. We alienate them at our peril.
 
Just because Pop's shoots a Perazzi at the trap range and doesn't own anything more "tactical" than a Mini-14 doesn't mean that when he goes golfing with our State Rep he doesn't bend his ear about why gun control is bad.
 
I heard Tom Brokaw and some reporter on the noise (news) proclaim how they are gun folks as they shoot the skeet.

Unless the skeet killer has other guns besides shotguns and shoots them - the odds are not in our favor about their opinions.

A study on 'hunters' showed them to be very negative to evil black guns.
 
My shooting skills was what got me into hunting. I was trusted by a guy and he just happened to see my shooting one day so asked me to start controlling nuisance animals at his ranch, pigs, coyotes, raccoons and such. I was a bit apprehensive but he insisted that I was the only one he wanted shooting around his livestock. I soon found myself in over my head, eventually, I learned and has become fun and rewarding. So, I don't like separating hunters from sport shooters.
 
Many are hunters. Guys in the trap & skeet crowd have money, and they have the ears of politicians, particularly on the local level. Most want no restrictions on the 2A whatsoever. We alienate them at our peril.
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Just because Pop's shoots a Perazzi at the trap range and doesn't own anything more "tactical" than a Mini-14 doesn't mean that when he goes golfing with our State Rep he doesn't bend his ear about why gun control is bad.
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If the above is true, and I believe it is, we're better off than I thought.

For the record, I'd like to correct the following sentence from post 26:
"Hunters don't care about 30 round magazines."

Should read:

Anti-gun politicians claim that hunters don't care about, nor need 30 round magazines.http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2...y-we-dont-need-high-capacity-clips/?mobile=nc
 
Pops likes to say he gets his fill of "assuault weapons" at work and in SEA, but he is still rapibly pro-gun.

Just kinder, gentler, media friendly pro gun. He generally looks lide an ad fromthe Eddie Bauer catalog when we go shooting instead of BLACKHAWK!. but the fact still stands that he, and I by extension, are pro-gun despite the lack of ARs and such from our collective armories.

Well, I have a WASR, but we don't talk about it. :D

We're all in this together.
 
A study on 'hunters' showed them to be very negative to evil black guns.
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It's this kind of generalization that kills. What study?

Lots of my friends and co-workers are gun-guys and hunters. As am I. Consider that we as hunters (even guys who DON'T have EBRs) also have a lot to lose in the gun debate. Check the hunting magazines. The debate is going on there, too.

"Fudds" is a pretty insulting term. I think you'll find that a lot of THIS generation of hunter is well aware of what's going on in the country right now, and a high percentage are NRA members. I (and we) spend a lot of range time, not only shooting our Wabbit Killing guns, but also our pistols, our EBRs and other stuff because -- like you -- we enjoy the shooting sports as well as the killing sports.

Check the demographic of guys who regularly trap/skeet/clay shoot. Check the amount of money spent on good shotguns. I think you'll find something above the "redneck" stereotype if you look harder at it.

We're all in this together. I don't know ONE HUNTER who doesn't support everyone else's right to legally possess any kind of firearm they so desire.

If there is a study that says otherwise, it would be wise to check just WHO did the study. Undoubtedly an anti-gun group.
 
Bartholow, B. D., Anderson, C. A., & Carnagey, N. L. (2005). Interactive effects of life experience and situational cues on aggression: The weapons priming effect in hunters and nonhunters. Journal of Experimental Social Psychology, 41, 48-60.

Every hunter you know is not a sample to claim generalizability. I can come up with a TX hunter who says he is happy to register all his guns to save the children. Nice guy - so anecdotes mean nothing conclusive.

There is clearly two gun cultures:

Wyant, B.R., & Taylor, R. B. (2007). Size of household firearm collections: implication for subcultures and gender. Criminology, 45, 519-546.

While there is overlap, you cannot count of the sports culture to be progun in the sense we've been talking about.
 
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