Disliking Glocks 3

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Ron,

I sort of figured you were funnin' me a little. :D

You're absolutely right. I am well aware that a firearm with a smooth single action trigger (1911 or BHP) will smoke me in the hands of someone who knows what he's doing. Same for a tuned revolver, which would be the fastest of them all.

That's been my whole point. I like Glocks. They fit my hand and I can shoot them very, very well. I shoot 1911's pretty well, too, as far as that goes. In my experience, limited as it is, 1911's have a MUCH greater tendency to stovepipe than do Glocks. That may not be the experience of those here, and if that's not you then I am glad for you. But I know what I have seen on a recurring basis, with tricked out race guns let alone something out of the box, and it does NOT inspire great confidence in me. And confidence in the firearm is about 90% of the equation, in my book.
 
Ever since I had that little conversation with Darth Vader, I have come to know the power of the Dark Side. I must confess however, that I still shoot my old Jedi light saber (Ruger P95) better. :eek:

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Yeah, I got a permit to carry,it's called the friggin Constitution.---Ted Nugent

"Glock 26: 17 rounds of concealed carry DEATH comming your way from out of nowhere!!! THAT'S FIREPOWER, BABY!!!"
 
9mm and 40 S&W may it be wrapped in steel rather than plastic and have CZ as it's label. If 45... well none better than a 1911 :)

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Rick
 
I want to see a "disliking the 1911" thread here. I mean, everyone spends so much time ripping on the Glock, how about some equal airtime for other guns? :)



I have a question: How come revolvers are faster than all others? Is it because you can cycle them faster than a semi-auto?

I see a whole lot of competitions in my area where top shooters go head to head with Glocks and custom 1911's. It seems to me that they both compete very well. It is not uncommon for the top shooters to have a smattering of Glocks and 1911's. Two particular shooters I know just switched from custom race gun 1911's to Glocks, and they seem to be doing great. (Their reasoning from their own mouths was that they "could take a box stock $500 Glock and it would work right out of the box, and they were sick of messing with race guns jamming on them and requiring so much expensive work"). Are we so sure that a 1911 trigger is really faster than a Glock, or is that just the standard rhetoric? If so, are we talking about a couple one hundredths of a second difference?
A friend just took a Gunsite class, and the five top shooters in the class had Glocks. the only shooters to take "expert" were shooting Glocks. I just don'e see evidence of this claim that 1911's are faster...?
 
Glocks are.....okay. Not my favorites, but there's alot out there that's worse.

I like 1911-pattern guns about as much as I like the Glock. Both have their own set of problems (Glocks - crappy trigger, 1911s - high bore axis and poor ergonomics.)

They're all good guns. So, pick whatever works for you.

You know, I've never seen a "disliking the BHP" thread here. I wonder why?? :D
 
I just sold my last Glock. Probably won't buy another. Fact is, there's a few real good pistol makers out there. Glock's are good pistols. I had a USP45 that was a great pistol. You can't say enough about Beretta mod 92's- there're a class act. IMHO, Sig-Sauers are the best! Glocks make to many demands as far as I'm concerned. Well, let's see; You'll never look at another lead bullet the same way again (KA-BOOM). Glock mag springs get tired to fast. Sigs don't. Ya can't stick it in your waistband-what good are ya! No fanny pack. MUST BE IN A HOLSTER COMPLETELY COVERING THE TRIGGER GUARD! No more Glock's for me, thanks. Best Regards, J. Parker
 
The wonder-nines and Glock style pistols have never held any appeal for me. I'm more of a traditionalist. I look at it this way...with the advent of large magazines and wonder-nines, the trend is "the more the merrier" "spray and pray". Not to say that all of you have this attitude, but what I see when I go out shooting is that attitiude. "My wonder-nine is better than your ancient wheelgun attitude" Well, I'm a wheelgun only kind of fella and always have been. I have always been taught and continue to reinforce to myself that accuracy is the utmost in all shooting sports. I would rather have my revolvers with their 6 shot limitation than any wonder-nine anyday. I'm good with them, they never fail to fire and there are no BS safeties to navigate. I like guns that are ready when I need them. I like accuracy, hence my need for a revolver. The only semi auto that I truly have any liking for is the 1911, and I like them stock with fixed sights, and of course, the Sig P210, the most accurate wonder-nine on the planet.
Too much ammo in one gun CAN breed overconfidence and sloppy shooting. It only takes one, maybe two rounds to bring something down, if they are placed correctly. Just my HO...let the flames begin... :)
 
internetfish; No flames from me. I agree with you. With me, auto pistols have come and gone but I have always had a good wheelgun. Best, J. Parker
 
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Hey Walter, sorry to hear about your back. That guy in Al sounds like a supervillan from a James Bond flick :)
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Sounds like Milton McGregor, one of the state Fatcats and owner of the "Victoryland" dogtrack in Macon county.

Am I right?
 
Bob:

First off, I have had many Glocks and they are, in my opinion, perhaps the ultimate self defense handgun. To the best of my recollection, I have never had a malfunction with a Glock other than user error when my thumb bumped the extended slide stop on my G-35. For all around use a Glock is tough to beat.

On the other hand, I moaned and groaned around this forum for months over my lemon Kimber Gold Match. Even after three trips to the factory the pistol was still a lemon. By the time I had the bugs worked out (by a custom pistolsmith) I had $1500.00 in it.

Then there is my Les Baer Premeir II. Over 10,000 rounds through the thing and not one, no not even one, single malfunction, period. And it shoots under 3" at fifty yards.

The El Presidente is a well known drill that is often used in USPSA and IPSC shooting. Three IPSC targets are placed 10 yards down range and one yard apart. The shooter begins facing away from the targets with hands above the shoulders. On the buzzer, the shooter turns to face the targets, shooting two rounds on each of the three targets, reload and shoot two rounds on each of the three targets again. Total of 12 rounds from the holster with one reload. It is a kick in the pants and anything under about 6 seconds is really hauling butt.

Red Bull:

As for my comparisons regarding speed, I am talking about how I personally perform with the pistols. I have no proof that a 1911 is faster than a Glock other than my own experience and the fact that the speedsters shoot raceguns built on the 1911 platform. It is also interesting to note that a person can advance in IDPA classification with slower speeds shooting a Glock than he/she needs to turn out to advance with a 1911. Apparantly, the founders of IDPA assume persons with similar abilities will be a bit faster with a 1911.

Your post talks about fractions of a second. Well, I have shot 90-125 round USPSA courses of fire where the time between shooters is often less than a second or two. In fact, I got beat last month in a 110 round USPSA match by .5 seconds. Even .02 faster splits can make a difference in the long haul. That's why IPSC has experienced the equipment race and that's also why IDPA was born.

[This message has been edited by Ron Ankeny (edited September 26, 2000).]
 
Ron,

Thanks for the info on El Presidente. I think I could probably pull that off in something around 7 seconds with my G21, based on the scenario you presented and similar ones that I have shot in IDPA matches. We shoot something similar as part of the classifier, though we only shoot each target once (to a slidelock) and then reload and shoot each target again. I can do that in about 5 seconds or so, and have done it as fast as 4.5 seconds. I figure an extra shot on each target would get me up to about 7 or so.

Sorry to hear about your Kimber. The two guys who shoot the best at our club shoot them, and they FLY. One of them beat Bill Wilson head-to-head a couple of months ago, and is listed on the IDPA web page as one of only a couple of people to achieve Master classification in all four disciplines. He and Masaad Ayoob were the only two, last time I looked. That's pretty good company! For me, if (when?) I get a 1911, it will probably be a Kimber Stainless Custom.

Strapped my G19 into my IWB holster for a trip to Wal-Mart this evening. Felt good to "be prepared"! Had taken it and the G21 out to the range today for 100-150 round workouts. Need to give them a bath now.

And I'll back you up that the 1911's (or ANY single action) are inherently faster than the Glock. It's in the trigger as much as it is anything. There's no way, no matter HOW much you work the Glock trigger, to make it as responsive as a tuned 1911. Not gonna happen.

Love the 1911. Don't have one, but I have a TON of respect for them and those who shoot them regularly.

My thing is having similar firearms so that I can concentrate my practice for maximum effectiveness. Whether I pick up my G21 or my G19, I know I have similar triggers and actions because there are parts to make them as close to identical as possible. I am pretty confident with my ability to pick up almost any gun and get it on target, but having a battery (if you will) of similar firearms makes me feel a LOT better,
 
DMR: Nope, the AL guy isn't McGreggor. Our guy would never be involved in a business like a racetrack. He's a native Georgian; REALLY likes to quail hunt, and has turned out to be a great mentor for my son.
 
Saw these comments in a mail list:

Reasons not to buy a Glock
> funny name
> frame melts when left in the sun
> won't perform the Monica
> serial no. is on every exposed surface
> magazines don't drop free
> trigger pull is like fingers on a chalk board
> magazines melt when left in the sun
> has all the style of a VW beetle
> made by "fereners"
> it aint a 1911
> no place to rest my tired thumb while I am shooting
> black is boring if it's your only choice
> can't expect one to be rusted beyond recognition in the river (at least not before the statute of limitations runs out>
> too durable -- not wearing out gives you one less reason to buy another new gun
> if you wear a wooley pulley sweater tucked into your trousers and a USMC head cover, someone might mistake you for Chuck Taylor trying to go over 200K rounds
> minimalist lubrication policy by the factory may cause firearms lubricant purveyors to go out of business
> looks too much like a Smith & Wesson SIGMA

> Guns should not be "dishwasher safe."
> Feel cheap and cheesy
> Uglier than a Traubant
> Can't shoot lead bullets
> They like to kB
> Made in Eastern Europe
> Trigger is the pits
> No safety switch
> No grip safety
> Look bad

> Trigger pull
> No manual safety
> Trigger pull
> Can't change stocks
> Trigger pull
> Newer models with molded finger grooves do not fit hand
> Trigger pull
> No exposed hammer
> Trigger pull
> Not made in stainless steel
> And oh yeah, did I forget to mention TRIGGER PULL !!!!!

> I'd like to add some stuff on the other side of the aisle (for) Glock's
> goes bang every time without gunsmithing
> doesn't need $500-1000 to make it work
> finish is tough and durable
> can be detail stripped with a nail or punch
> easy to clean
> parts are ridiculously cheap- of which you'll rarely need any
> available in many calibers/sizes
> hi cap design standard
 
If you ask me it does seem like the 1911 guys are most offended by Glocks.

Who could blame them, if I spent twice as much for a gun that cant be guarenteed to cycle a full magazine without jamming out of the box, I would be pretty offended to.

I have to ask, how do you justify paying all that $ for a 1911 when their is a number of guns that function better than it right out of the box, Glock being just one of them and cost a mere fraction of the price.

Remember, a gun is only good if it shoots when you pul the trigger, thus being the reason you dont see many people carrying 1911s anymore, they have become more of a range gun IMHO.

Reliability is everything and IMHO I think Glock and Sig has that markey locked at this time.

~Jason
 
Thats because you need to load it first. guaranteed, you won't even notice the sproiiinnng if theres a live round it it :D
 
It didn't take long for me to get over my departed G-21. I picked up a new P-220 and a near new Beretta Centurion with two cherry hi-caps. After fondling them for almost a week now I realize I was stupid ever to let them go in the first place. Best Regards, J. Parker
 
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