Quantum Singularity
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[This message has been edited by Quantum Singularity (edited September 26, 2000).]
Disliking Glocks 3
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[This message has been edited by Quantum Singularity (edited September 26, 2000).]
I just can't get used to the ergonomics. Besides where the hell can I put my ivory grips?
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"Now I want you to remember that no bastard ever won a war by dying for his country. You won it by making the other poor dumb bastard die for his country."
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WalterGAII
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Reply to BB from Glockhaters 2:
BB, I didn't say that I shot .40 Super and .400 Cor-Bon from the same barrel, but from the same configuration. (Threaded, compensated barrels.) The .40 Super barrel that I use was once a .400 Cor-Bon barrel. Had it reamed to .40 Super and it shoots unlike most other semi-autos that you'll ever shoot. The compensated barrel makes the recoil more than manageable; it's actually a pleasure to shoot. Accuracy is super, and it's flat-shooting out to 100 yds and beyond. The .40 Super has more energy at 100 yds than does a .45 ACP at the muzzle. I'm looking forward to shooting some wild hogs with the .40 Super.
Regarding the crappy Glock triggers: My G30 pulls at a pretty decent 3.25#. If one learns to release the trigger only far enough for reset, then shots subsequent to the first are with a pull that really isn't so bad.
The greatest advantage I see in my 1911's over my Glocks is that the 1911's probably make better clubs in close quarters than do my Glocks.
As to the longevity of Glocks, compared to all-steel pistols, assuming no rust, I'd have to think that the steel guns would be around long after the polymer-portion of the Glocks became useless. On the other hand, there are no parts on a Glock that are expensive to replace, and Glocks are warranteed forever.
On a personal note. Due to my negligence, I blew up a Glock 21, playing around with .400 Cor-Bon reloads. Glock was kind enough to return my original .45 Glock barrel, return my aftermarket connector, return my blown-up aftermarket barrel, and sell me a brand new Glock for $250, plus taxes. Wonder how many other manufacturers help out their customers who blow up their guns, due to the customers' negligence?? Not many, I'd bet.
To the guy who likes the Ruger .45. Nobody who ever shot a Ruger pistol ought to complain about a Glock's trigger pull.
BB, I didn't say that I shot .40 Super and .400 Cor-Bon from the same barrel, but from the same configuration. (Threaded, compensated barrels.) The .40 Super barrel that I use was once a .400 Cor-Bon barrel. Had it reamed to .40 Super and it shoots unlike most other semi-autos that you'll ever shoot. The compensated barrel makes the recoil more than manageable; it's actually a pleasure to shoot. Accuracy is super, and it's flat-shooting out to 100 yds and beyond. The .40 Super has more energy at 100 yds than does a .45 ACP at the muzzle. I'm looking forward to shooting some wild hogs with the .40 Super.
Regarding the crappy Glock triggers: My G30 pulls at a pretty decent 3.25#. If one learns to release the trigger only far enough for reset, then shots subsequent to the first are with a pull that really isn't so bad.
The greatest advantage I see in my 1911's over my Glocks is that the 1911's probably make better clubs in close quarters than do my Glocks.
As to the longevity of Glocks, compared to all-steel pistols, assuming no rust, I'd have to think that the steel guns would be around long after the polymer-portion of the Glocks became useless. On the other hand, there are no parts on a Glock that are expensive to replace, and Glocks are warranteed forever.
On a personal note. Due to my negligence, I blew up a Glock 21, playing around with .400 Cor-Bon reloads. Glock was kind enough to return my original .45 Glock barrel, return my aftermarket connector, return my blown-up aftermarket barrel, and sell me a brand new Glock for $250, plus taxes. Wonder how many other manufacturers help out their customers who blow up their guns, due to the customers' negligence?? Not many, I'd bet.
To the guy who likes the Ruger .45. Nobody who ever shot a Ruger pistol ought to complain about a Glock's trigger pull.
Started shooting IDPA almost immediately after I bought my G21 back in May. In fact, the second time I had it out of the box was at one of our bi-weekly matches. I'm not quite as fast as Miculek yet, 
, but I've now gotten to the point where I can draw and double tap three different targets at 7 yards in just under 2.5 seconds using that sidearm. To say that I have a lot of confidence in it and my ability to use it would be an understatement.
But that doesn't mean that I'm going to try to force a Glock down someone's throat. It's my sincere hope that everyone will try a little bit of everything out there until they find that which is best suited for them. Then get it, practice with it, and use it if you have to. I would never, ever, tell a 1911 guy that he's a nut job for using outdated technology when there have been so many improvements in firearms along the way, because the 1911 is a proven design. So is the Glock.
Once again, I go back to the bottom line(s):
If it works for you, use it.
If it doesn't, leave it alone.
If it works for someone else, be happy for them that they have found a weapon that works for them as well as yours does for you.
We have several different types of firearms for the same reason we have several different types of automobiles. And the discussions are generally along the same lines.
, but I've now gotten to the point where I can draw and double tap three different targets at 7 yards in just under 2.5 seconds using that sidearm. To say that I have a lot of confidence in it and my ability to use it would be an understatement.But that doesn't mean that I'm going to try to force a Glock down someone's throat. It's my sincere hope that everyone will try a little bit of everything out there until they find that which is best suited for them. Then get it, practice with it, and use it if you have to. I would never, ever, tell a 1911 guy that he's a nut job for using outdated technology when there have been so many improvements in firearms along the way, because the 1911 is a proven design. So is the Glock.
Once again, I go back to the bottom line(s):
If it works for you, use it.
If it doesn't, leave it alone.
If it works for someone else, be happy for them that they have found a weapon that works for them as well as yours does for you.
We have several different types of firearms for the same reason we have several different types of automobiles. And the discussions are generally along the same lines.
WalterGAII
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Quantum: My experience with the Ruger .45 was in shooting my brother's Ruger. It had about the worst trigger that I ever pulled. Maybe he just had a bad one. The gun was rugged, and fired every time one pulled the trigger. Just no comparison to a Glock, however. I found my brother a G21, with two hi-caps for $400. He's one happy camper. He was more than happy to sell his Ruger to a buddy of his.
BB: My ex-wife's family owns about 1000 acres on the Oconee River in Laurens County. My former father-in-law was Sheriff of the county for 20 years. Prior to that, he practiced veterinary medicine for 7 yrs. About fifteen or so years ago, he imported some Russian boars (and sows, too, I assume) from somewhere in FL. There are about 200 acrs of hardwood swamp on his property along the river. The hogs have multiplied to the point of being pests.
I still get along with my ex well enough that I have permission to hunt on the land whenever I wish. They also have a 15 acre spring-fed pond on the property, from which quite a few 12-15# bass have been caught.
As a matter of interest, my husband-in-law graduated from Georgia Southern.
BB: My ex-wife's family owns about 1000 acres on the Oconee River in Laurens County. My former father-in-law was Sheriff of the county for 20 years. Prior to that, he practiced veterinary medicine for 7 yrs. About fifteen or so years ago, he imported some Russian boars (and sows, too, I assume) from somewhere in FL. There are about 200 acrs of hardwood swamp on his property along the river. The hogs have multiplied to the point of being pests.
I still get along with my ex well enough that I have permission to hunt on the land whenever I wish. They also have a 15 acre spring-fed pond on the property, from which quite a few 12-15# bass have been caught.
As a matter of interest, my husband-in-law graduated from Georgia Southern.
Quantum Singularity
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[This message has been edited by Quantum Singularity (edited September 30, 2000).]
Quantum, single action is a totally different world, your comparing apples to oranges. Try a Kimber Match Target or a Colt Gold Cup, and compare those to your Ruger. Or compare the double action of the ruger to the Glock, thats more of a proper comparison.
Walter, sounds like you've got it made. I've been wanting to eventually move back to Savannah one day. I love it down there, except for the damn gnats in the summer.
Walter, sounds like you've got it made. I've been wanting to eventually move back to Savannah one day. I love it down there, except for the damn gnats in the summer.
I bet atleast one of these Glock haters here has already made the decition that he is going to go out and give one a try after reading this thread.
I bet he would never admit it though atleast not until he gets back from the range with that "where have you been all my life" look on his face.
Shhhhhhhhhhh,,,,,,I wont tell
~~~Jason
I bet he would never admit it though
atleast not until he gets back from the range with that "where have you been all my life" look on his face.Shhhhhhhhhhh,,,,,,I wont tell
~~~Jason
Pretty interesting developments in another thread:
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Seems that in these tests, The Glock entered the most pistol models (9mm, 40, 357SIG, 45) and had zero failures, whereas the Kimber, Kahr, Taurus and SIG pistols failed (with less entries). Very interesting indeed.
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Seems that in these tests, The Glock entered the most pistol models (9mm, 40, 357SIG, 45) and had zero failures, whereas the Kimber, Kahr, Taurus and SIG pistols failed (with less entries). Very interesting indeed.
Quantum Singularity
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BB,
Comparing the Glocks "safe action" trigger to the Rugers DA trigger is also comparing apples to oranges. Glock's trigger is NOT DA. Its "safe action" and the striker is always partially cocked. In pull, it is rather light and short--thats why Glocks are so easy to rapid fire accurately.
Regarding comparing the Ruger to a SAO handgun like a 1911, that is not a fair comparison (different trigger types--curved vs straight match triggers, etc). Compare it to other DA/SA handguns...like Sigs. Since I own two Sigs, I can say that the P97's SA trigger is much better than my Sigs SA trigger (which does say a lot)...
[This message has been edited by Quantum Singularity (edited September 22, 2000).]
Comparing the Glocks "safe action" trigger to the Rugers DA trigger is also comparing apples to oranges. Glock's trigger is NOT DA. Its "safe action" and the striker is always partially cocked. In pull, it is rather light and short--thats why Glocks are so easy to rapid fire accurately.
Regarding comparing the Ruger to a SAO handgun like a 1911, that is not a fair comparison (different trigger types--curved vs straight match triggers, etc). Compare it to other DA/SA handguns...like Sigs. Since I own two Sigs, I can say that the P97's SA trigger is much better than my Sigs SA trigger (which does say a lot)...
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WalterGAII
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Quantum: I'm pretty sure that my brother's Ruger was a P90. I'm still pretty pissed with Ruger's captitulation to the antis on the mag capacity deal. Also, I once owned a stainless Mini 14 Ranch. That's enough to turn anybody against Rugers.
BB: I wouldn't exactly say that I have it made, but it is nice to be able to hunt hogs and not be married as a consequence. (Not that my ex is a hog)
Talk about a paradise, my oldest son's chief investor owns 30,000 acres just over the Ga line in AL. Has an airport (not a landing strip) and 18-hole golf course on the property. Oldest son is going to be shooting quail with the investor in November. Oldest son's never done any hunting, so this'll be a new experience for him.
I was invited to go dove hunting today, but am a little down-in-the-back, so I just went out to the range to shoot my plastic pistol some. Without a major effort, shot a five-inch, three-shot group at 100 yds. That's with .40 Super, not .45ACP.
FWIW, I own two 70 Series Gold Cups. Used to have three, but gave one to my oldest son when he escaped college. The Gold Cup that I sometimes shoot has had some work done on it by a decent gunsmith and has a fine trigger pull. I have a compensated .400 Cor-Bon barrel for the Gold Cup, also. The trigger on my G21 pulls at just over 3.5#, while I'm getting 3.24# on my 30. After one learns to shoot a Glock, the trigger really isn't so bad.
Day-in-and-day-out, I keep the 1911's in the safe and the Glocks in my hands, blasting away. The Glocks are just more fun to shoot and easier to take down, modify, etc., to me. I am actually more comfortable carrying my G30 concealed than I ever was carrying a 1911 type cocked and locked.
I'd never get rid of one of my Gold Cups. As a matter of fact, one of them's only been fired ten times or so and is still lnib. I'm just hanging on to it.
Wonder if Colt would sell me a new Gold Cup for half price if I blew it up with one of my bad reloads??? That's a laugh!!!
All the fuss about the $3000, custom 1911's is pretty amusing to me. Kind of reminds me of a call I made to a right wealthy friend of mine the other day. I phoned him to wish him a happy birthday, and his calls had been forwarded from his home number to his cell phone. We chatted a while, then I asked him where he was at the moment. He was celebrating his birthday at Shoney's, of all places! I ribbed him a little about not being out at a more expensive place for the special occasion. His reply was that he could afford not to eat at an expensive place if he wanted to. Likewise, I can afford to show up at our local range with my $500 Glock, knowing that I can afford NOT to be there with a $3000 piece of plumbing.
[This message has been edited by WalterGAII (edited September 23, 2000).]
BB: I wouldn't exactly say that I have it made, but it is nice to be able to hunt hogs and not be married as a consequence. (Not that my ex is a hog)
Talk about a paradise, my oldest son's chief investor owns 30,000 acres just over the Ga line in AL. Has an airport (not a landing strip) and 18-hole golf course on the property. Oldest son is going to be shooting quail with the investor in November. Oldest son's never done any hunting, so this'll be a new experience for him.
I was invited to go dove hunting today, but am a little down-in-the-back, so I just went out to the range to shoot my plastic pistol some. Without a major effort, shot a five-inch, three-shot group at 100 yds. That's with .40 Super, not .45ACP.
FWIW, I own two 70 Series Gold Cups. Used to have three, but gave one to my oldest son when he escaped college. The Gold Cup that I sometimes shoot has had some work done on it by a decent gunsmith and has a fine trigger pull. I have a compensated .400 Cor-Bon barrel for the Gold Cup, also. The trigger on my G21 pulls at just over 3.5#, while I'm getting 3.24# on my 30. After one learns to shoot a Glock, the trigger really isn't so bad.
Day-in-and-day-out, I keep the 1911's in the safe and the Glocks in my hands, blasting away. The Glocks are just more fun to shoot and easier to take down, modify, etc., to me. I am actually more comfortable carrying my G30 concealed than I ever was carrying a 1911 type cocked and locked.
I'd never get rid of one of my Gold Cups. As a matter of fact, one of them's only been fired ten times or so and is still lnib. I'm just hanging on to it.
Wonder if Colt would sell me a new Gold Cup for half price if I blew it up with one of my bad reloads??? That's a laugh!!!
All the fuss about the $3000, custom 1911's is pretty amusing to me. Kind of reminds me of a call I made to a right wealthy friend of mine the other day. I phoned him to wish him a happy birthday, and his calls had been forwarded from his home number to his cell phone. We chatted a while, then I asked him where he was at the moment. He was celebrating his birthday at Shoney's, of all places! I ribbed him a little about not being out at a more expensive place for the special occasion. His reply was that he could afford not to eat at an expensive place if he wanted to. Likewise, I can afford to show up at our local range with my $500 Glock, knowing that I can afford NOT to be there with a $3000 piece of plumbing.
[This message has been edited by WalterGAII (edited September 23, 2000).]
Hey Walter, sorry to hear about your back. That guy in Al sounds like a supervillan from a James Bond flick
I too have a 70 series Gold Cup, and I too hardly shoot it, but the trigger is sooooo sweet! And your right, once the trigger is mastered, the Glock is an excellent "fun gun". I still wouldn't trade my Gold Cup for one though, and I wish the Glocks were still going for $400 like a few years ago. I took your advice from Glocktalk and installed a 3.5lb disconnect and a 22lb wolf spring and guiderod, makes an easy shooting .45 even easier. My 10mm barrel has been giving me trouble so I think I'm going to just get a complete G20 upper for it.
I know what you mean about the $3K 1911s. I was at the range last week and this guy had a wilson job and was being a real ass to everyone, nose in the air over my friends CZ75 and my Glock. At one point my friend was asking him about it, and while they were talking I ripped a rapid string of 10 into a 6" group at about 15 yards, and he kinda got quiet about the "funky plastic gun" after that
[This message has been edited by BB (edited September 23, 2000).]
I too have a 70 series Gold Cup, and I too hardly shoot it, but the trigger is sooooo sweet! And your right, once the trigger is mastered, the Glock is an excellent "fun gun". I still wouldn't trade my Gold Cup for one though, and I wish the Glocks were still going for $400 like a few years ago. I took your advice from Glocktalk and installed a 3.5lb disconnect and a 22lb wolf spring and guiderod, makes an easy shooting .45 even easier. My 10mm barrel has been giving me trouble so I think I'm going to just get a complete G20 upper for it.
I know what you mean about the $3K 1911s. I was at the range last week and this guy had a wilson job and was being a real ass to everyone, nose in the air over my friends CZ75 and my Glock. At one point my friend was asking him about it, and while they were talking I ripped a rapid string of 10 into a 6" group at about 15 yards, and he kinda got quiet about the "funky plastic gun" after that
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Ron Ankeny
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Bob:
Now you know why I prefer the 1911 style pistols to the Glock. As you have noticed, the Glock is by its very nature rather slow when it comes to multiple shots on multiple targets.
Now you know why I prefer the 1911 style pistols to the Glock. As you have noticed, the Glock is by its very nature rather slow when it comes to multiple shots on multiple targets.
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Once again, I go back to the bottom line(s):
If it works for you, use it.
If it doesn't, leave it alone.
If it works for someone else, be happy for them that they have found a weapon that works for them as well as yours does for you.
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Bob, please stop using logic on these sort of posts.
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Once again, I go back to the bottom line(s):
If it works for you, use it.
If it doesn't, leave it alone.
If it works for someone else, be happy for them that they have found a weapon that works for them as well as yours does for you.
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Bob, please stop using logic on these sort of posts.
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Rob
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bad Kiki! No karaoke in the house!
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Larry Flynt is right. You guys stink!!!
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Ron Ankeny
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Tecolote:
I was kidding, tongue in cheek. Bob's times are great. However, since we are talking about speed, I get .11 splits with my Baer and .09 with my Edge. I couldn't even come close to that with my G35, G17, G21, G22 or G19.
Two weeks ago I shot two El Pres. back to back with both just under 5 seconds. I just don't know if a Glock is up to that. You know, the trigger, controls and so on...
I was kidding, tongue in cheek. Bob's times are great. However, since we are talking about speed, I get .11 splits with my Baer and .09 with my Edge. I couldn't even come close to that with my G35, G17, G21, G22 or G19.
Two weeks ago I shot two El Pres. back to back with both just under 5 seconds. I just don't know if a Glock is up to that. You know, the trigger, controls and so on...
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