Disaster Can’t Destroy Gun Rights...The NRA Takes a Stand

The Chief had absolutely no lawful or Constitutional authority to issue such an order, and the officers involved had no lawful or Constitutional authority to execute it.
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There's the problem.

There was "lawful" authority to "regulate the possession" of firearms during a declared emergency.

The fact that this statutory grant of authority violates Section 11 of the Louisiana Constitution:

The right of each citizen to keep and bear arms shall not be abridged, but this provision shall not prevent the passage of laws to prohibit the carrying of weapons concealed on the person.
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... is a moot point when the police are throwing you against the wall and pointing shotguns into your front door.

We need to make sure that in each of our states there are criminal penalties for violations such as this. Compass merely losing his job is not enough, he should be thrown in jail for shredding the Constitution he swore an oath to support and defend.
 
Blackmind-
The fact that I refuse to publicly embrace the concept of killing Senators and their families and mailing their body parts home does not mean that I am unwilling to fight for my rights. It simply means that I am not willing to telegraph, on a public forum, what laws I would be willing to break or ignore in the name of freedom....it also means that I will not countenance the concept of killing innocent people under any condition.

However, every movement requires some to broadcast the acts that they would support, with great fanfare and bravado. This is usually done by people who believe they speak with some degree of anonymity, when in fact there is no such thing in today's technologically advanced world. Depending on the outcome and their actions, history may call those people freedom fighters or terrorists. I call them "canon fodder". Somebody's always gotta be canon fodder; thanks for volunteering. :eek:
Rich
 
blackmind said:
...don't you think that continual lethal assaults on the agents of that government would make it hard for them to live in any kind of comfort, to the point that their minds might be changed about continuing their policies?
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I suppose it would. However, it is the mission of this site to promote Responsible Firearms Ownership and suggesting that we murder our duly elected and lawfully appointed public officials goes against that mission to say the least.
 
I, for one, am glad to see the NRA finally get off the fence on this. I believe that they could have acted sooner but am really glad that they actually DID make a firm stand instead of the wishy-washy stmt they originally published.

We need to make sure that in each of our states there are criminal penalties for violations such as this...
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Gawd, wouldn't THAT be wunnerful! As it is, too many public servants have total immunity against prosecution for acts committed while in office. This seems to make them believe that they are above the law and as a result they do a lot of really stupid things in the name of "public safety". We really should work on repealing the immunity stuff. A lot of the idiots in office would blow out of there faster than Katrina's winds blew down NOLA.
 
I believe that they could have acted sooner
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Rob-
I think that "acting sooner" would have been acting on questionable information. GOA an JPFO acted "sooner", but the result was pretty shrill and without teeth. NRA waited until they'd gathered the facts and has now made a statement of action rather than indignation.

I'm no NRA acolyte, but I think they did real well with this.
Rich
 
Xavier, yes, to quote George Will, "the Left does not care what you do as long as it is compulsory." We need to make firearms laws proactive/mandatory/compulsory. Let's use the big hammer of government for us and against our enemies.

For far too long the NRA/GOA's position has been "just leave us alone." However, that is a defensive position. To win a war, we need to attack and then counterattack and attack again.

Seize democratic control of school boards and make firearms training mandatory for high school sheepskin. Reform the criminal code, state and federal, to include Second Amendment violations. Create a Bivens action for Second Amendment violation with 10X damages iwth stautory liquidated damages and attorney fees (let the trial lawyers work for us!).Seize control of the money, the lifeblood of all government (grants, aid, etc.) to tie it to do what we want done--mandatory sensitivity training, police education, and, the biggie, more and more funding for public ranges. A big city mayor wants to tear down a housing project? O.K., but the land goes to firing ranges.

The most important reform we need is to defund all projects that go on in anti-gun cities. Federal money is how people like Richard Daley, D-Chicago, stay in power. Channeling enormous amounts of cash to contractors who then kickback into his war chest.

Imagine this, we withhold all federal money to Chicago, unless all anti-gun laws are abolished. Can't do it in one fell swoop, but can take small steps to destroy them. :)
 
Seize democratic control of school boards and make firearms training mandatory for high school sheepskin.
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Okay. Did you vote in your last school board elections or whatever it is they use in your state? ;)
 
Rich's point about taking time to responsibly gather the facts before going off half-cocked is well made.

Credibility it highly incindiary-- you only get to burn it once.
 
This made me so upset last week I had to step away from it. I made a post on GT in the CT forum asking a question about the LEO's responsibility to refuse unlawful orders and about got shot for it. What concerns me is everyone has a responsibility to say no... and that once they managed to deny us of our 2nd and 4th amendment right which one do they go after next, freedom of speech? My understanding of the US Constitution is that NO state can over-ride it. The second amendment was for situations just like the aftermath of a disaster. Simply put the police is not responsible to protect you, it's your responsibility. I'm surprised that there weren't some situations that escalated to the next level. Surely there will be law suits to follow which should be people should be held accountable for their actions. Maybe I'm wrong but, this is about something bigger than the right to bear arms, it shakes the very foundation of our constitutional rights.
 
Can you imagine the rabid fury which would be unleashed on the N.O. officials if it was a different precept of the Constitution they decided to invalidate? Say, like requiring everyone to attend church to pray for their city! I would refuse to enforce that one just as I would refuse to enforce confiscating firearms from otherwise peaceful people. The first line of defense against a bad law is for the police to refuse to enforce it. I can only hope some step publicly forward and stand up for freedom.
Steve
 
I received an email from the NRA-ILA stating they want to hear from individuals who have had their legal firearms taken.
Here's the info:

NRA-ILA Grassroots Alert Vol. 12, No. 37 9/16/05

NRA ON THE GROUND IN LOUISIANA

As was reported last week, in the wake of unspeakable crimes perpetrated by roving, armed gangs and individuals, authorities in New Orleans seized legal firearms from lawful residents, effectively disarming the very citizenry they are sworn to protect.

On Monday, NRA Executive Vice President Wayne LaPierre, and NRA-ILA Executive Director Chris W. Cox slammed New Orleans authorities for this incredible action.

"What we've seen in Louisiana--the breakdown of law and order in the aftermath of disaster--is exactly the kind of situation where the Second Amendment was intended to allow citizens to protect themselves, " LaPierre said. "For state, local, or federal government to disarm these good people in their own homes using the threat of imminent deadly force, is unthinkable."

"The NRA will not stand by while guns are confiscated from law-abiding people who're trying to defend themselves," Cox said. "We're exploring every legal option available to protect the rights of lawful people in New Orleans."

To that end, NRA has put professional investigators to work on the ground in New Orleans and surrounding areas. News stories and members' detailed accounts have been followed up on, but we need more information. Some of our best leads have come from rank and file law enforcement, but we need to hear from all directly affected citizens.

If you have personally had a gun confiscated in Louisiana since Hurricane Katrina hit, please call (888) 414-6333. Be prepared to leave only your name and immediate contact information so we can get back to you. Once again, we are seeking contact information from actual victims of gun confiscation in Louisiana only.

For additional information, please visit www.NRAILA.org, or e-mail us at ila-contact@nrahq.org.

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Are they not taking cameras? Is that a violation of the first or is that going to turn into an urban legend like the Gun confiscation.
 
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