"Dirty" gun?

I would first get a bill of sale or something from the "friend". Get the make, model, and s/n of the firearm on there and his first and last name, date of sale, and make him sign it. I always do this when I buy a used firearm. Then call the local police department and tell them you made a private purchase of a firearm and would like to make sure it wasn't stolen. If it comes back stolen, turn it in immediately. My state and local laws do not require me do this, but I would. If you don't get the s/n ran, and you don't get a bill of sale, don't ever get caught with it. Both times I've been pulled over and had a firearm LEGALLY in the car, they ran the s/n just in case. I would strongly suggest making sure it's not stolen to cover yourself.
 
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jdscholer wrote:

Got a cool story for ya. I'll keep it short.
Back in the 80s a friend had his rig broken into in a bar parking lot, and lost a brand new Rem 700, 7mm mag. He reported, and insurance got him a new one.
Fast forward about 10 years, to the 90s. A different friend talks to a guy he knew -in a bar- who has some guns for sale. Gets the numbers from a couple he's interested in, and calls them in.
The cops freak out, the sellers name is given and several guns are confiscated. Friend #1 gets a call from the cops and gets to reclaim the rifle that was stolen over 10 years earlier. He now has two of em.
I don't recall what all happened to the seller. jd
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Doesn't the recovered gun belong to the insurance company ? Would your friend now having 2 guns mean he is in possesion of stolen property ?
 
i got nailed for turning in some stolen stuff a while back i bought off a "friend". i went to prison, court, and 4 months later was released and free. although i had to do community service as well.

my personal recommendation, if the gun isn't registered, and you didnt buy it off a dealer, and you think it may be stolen, dont call the cops from your house or cell phone. call them from a payphone or a prepaid celli, (boost mobile) give them the serial numbers and see what they say, you gave give them your pre=paid number ot call back. if they say they nede you to come in, idk bro, i dont think i would.

you could get in a Sh!t storm of trouble with this. do you have a cop friends you can talk to who could possibly help you out with this? are the numbers still on the gun? or were they removed.

call your boy back and tell him to give you back ya money or else... he'll know your serious.
 
I really wish the OP would log back in one day and give us some kind of update, Lol. This is like a "To Be Continued" episode of lost or something!
 
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...and lost a brand new Rem 700, 7mm mag. He reported, and insurance got him a new one.
...and gets to reclaim the rifle that was stolen over 10 years earlier. He now has two of em.

I think he has some kind of obligation to contact the insurance company, doesn't he? Because the insurance company should likely have rights to the stolen one since they paid out on it.
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Sorry, I've been off this thread for awhile, and didn't see the above replies.
This does present an interesting moral, legal, and practical situation; one that I can't wait to present to my friend.
Morally, I believe that you are correct, if the insurance company chooses.
Legally, I have no idea.
Practically, you would have to figure in the fact that the average person looks at anything they get from an insurance company as manna from heaven.;)
A few of you here are obviosly above average in your beliefs and observation, and I applaud you for it.
I'll get back when I find out how my buddy explains himself on this one.:) jd
 
Greetings,

CreyC,
I understand it's your business, but you asked a question and members here were kind enough to give you answers. Now they are asking you a question such as "why do you think it's stolen" and you can't answer them? Man up!
If you truley haven't had the time to respond then I appologize.

He probably got the notion the gun has some "bodies" on it or maybe the seller said, "what ever you do, just don't register it". :eek:
 
yea i was thinking the gun had bodies on it too since he was so nervous about it and stuff. man if it does and your caught with it... your DONE-ZO
 
he should have known better before buying it in the first place too. there is suggested ways on how to purchase firearms listed right here on the site. if someone is sketchy while selling you a gun, you should put your money in your pocket and run the other way. if you have a bad feeling about them, or think there not trustworthy why would you do it in the first place? he was asking for trouble. he prob doesnt have a carrier permit, and couldnt pick one up legit from a FFL dealer, so resolved to buying one on the street. happens all the time.

jail time is Nucking Futs, for someone who gets caught with a stolen firearm, one that has bodies on it, and/or carrying without a permit. some pleaces you get years per bullet. OUCH!
 
Some states, like Florida, have a web site you can put the serial number in and check it. Of course that will only work if it is stolen in state.

I often wondered about this when I go buying at Fun Shows from private sellers. I remember this one guy, a nervous Oriental gentleman. He did not seem like the 'gun' type, or know much about guns. Was selling a really nice Colt 1911 at 1/2 the price of a great deal. I passed because I has one and it raised the hair on the back of my neck. My buddy did buy it for even less than he was asking. Makes me wonder...
 
Note that in some areas, gun "buy back" programs do check for crime guns and stolen guns and try to return the latter to the rightful owner. Other departments don't even bother to check for crime guns, they just scrap everything that the cops themselves don't illegally take for their private collections or to sell back on the street.

Jim
 
i dont need a permit to carry out here in NM its great, just need a CCW permit. get some funny looks when im joggin tho and gotta Xd45 strapped to my hip, but oh well keeps me safe
 
As to the insurance question, it will depend on the language contained in the policy. In general, once a claim is made and the insurance company has paid, the property belongs to the company.

Most homeowners policies include a provision for just this type of thing. The standard homeowners policy says the following:

Recovered Property
If you or we recover any property for which we have made payment under this policy, you or we will notify the other of the recovery. At your option, the property will be returned to or retained by you or it will become our property. If the recovered property is returned to or retained by you, the loss payment will be adjusted based on the amount you received for the recovered property.

Therefore, if the property is recovered, the policyholder must advise the insurance company of the recovery of the property and preserve it for the company to inspect. The company then has the right to take possession of the property and dispose of it as salvage to offset the cost of its payment to the policyholder.

However, the company cannot require the policyholder to keep the recovered property and reimburse the company for the payment previously made.

As a practical matter, since ten years have past and depending on the current condition of the recovered rifle, the insurance company may not want to take possession of the rifle. It will depend on the amount of the claim. Obviously a $10,000.00 antique will probably elicit a different response than a $1500.00 hunting rifle.
 
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