Dillon 650 powder spill

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sure if the question Jeryray asked has been answered for him but I would like an answer to if this is a common thing with Dillion presses?
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I guess it's depended on what you are loading and what your load is, I have seven Dillon's and only modified one as far as indexing is concerned. The others have had no issue and I generally don't fix what is working.
 
Yes I have looked at the responses. I'm just surprised to hear about powder spilling. My son and I are looking at getting another press and have been looking at Dillion this time. I've never heard that Dillion needs these type of fixes. Will be loading 9mm and possibly 40.
 
"Spill" may be over stating it a bit. See the kernel that spilled out of the case onto the shell plate?

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Fair enough Mr Morris. But it does look like more than one. :)Like I said I was surprised to hear this. As it is now my son is looking at getting a square deal in 9mm or a 650. Not interested in a 550.
 
It's really not that much powder. But a lot will depend on how full the powder fills the cases. With .223/5.56 on my 650, I was getting 2-3 pieces of powder slung out of the case when the plate would index to the next station. The Hit Factory kit (bearing washers and plastic ball) made a difference but even with that fix, one or two would fly. Once I snip the spring, that ended the problem for my 650.

Many people have had luck by just snipping the spring. That probably would've work for me but after I snipped 1/2 a turn off my spring, I got cold feet and order the Hit Factory kit. That made the press smoother but I was still slinging some powder so had snip some more off the spring. I think I had to go more than one turn before it worked. I would suggest snipping only a little at a time. Also, when you purchase your press, get the spare parts kit. It will have a spare spring which will come in handy in case you snip too much off the spring.
 
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>when I cracked one.
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>That didn't take long...

>That's why I have a Dillon. :D


Dear mister self-righteous:
That was a 20 year-old press, before the L-N-L, and was my fault and Hornady sent me two pawls, free. That was also the only problem I had with the press since Horandy updated it.
I have three 1050s and they have issues also. There is no perfect progressive press.
 
Fair enough Mr Morris. But it does look like more than one. Like I said I was surprised to hear this. As it is now my son is looking at getting a square deal in 9mm or a 650. Not interested in a 550.
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I don't want to be a party pooper but no matter what press you get or what style press you get you will have more than one kernel not make it under a bullet.

I have both the SD and 650 (1050 too) in 9mm they will all load fine ammunition, like anyother press.
 
Dear mister self-righteous:...
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Wow, all from an off topic comment made in jest and replied to in jest (note the little green smiling faces). You can relax, I have owned a couple LNL's myself, just don't let that secret get around...
 
Looked like a laugh-at-you smug grin to me. I hate emojis.


Why the heck would you put a finger on the shell plate? Put it over the case mouth.
I was doing that from whenever the first Hornady progressive came out until the end of the '70s when I discovered real thick marine propellor grease to slow it down.
Later, I simply screwed the shell plate down until it wouldn't turn and loosened it up until it just moved smoothly.
 
I just used the same one THEWELSHM used, as I am not as skilled at proper smiley face use myself. I figured if he wasn't light hearted about the comment he would have just not used one though. Sorry, no smugness intended.
 
I would do the "finger over the casing" when trying to load full bang 9mm at a faster pace on my LEE CT. I found it easier (and less full ram repetitions) to place my finger over the filled case, and spin the turret quickly by hand. Unique powder spillage was the most common as Unique is a flake powder. Worked great. As for my new Dillon 650 , i'm not savvy to having to do the same finger method with a top of the line $1000 Dillon progressive press. Seems as if you keep the ram stroke speed reasonable there is no spillage. Once you try to go fast you get index plate "whip" and that's when you encompass spillage. Even going at a slower controlled pace my new Dillon is 3x faster than my LEE CT .
 
Once you try to go fast you get index plate "whip" and that's when you encompass spillage.
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Depends on how you go fast, if you are banging into things you will spill more and it also helps to have the press mounted as solid as possible.

It may not be as easy to see but if you watch my hand/lever in this video you can see the stroke slow as it comes back up and even see a change after I feel the primer contact the case and increase force seating it. It's most pronounce in the beginning though.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yl63cR9Y_Y0
 
Again, doesn't matter how 'Fast' you go when it's over indexing, moving shell plate too far and it snaps back to the detent...
Just a mechanical fact.

You will also have increased 'Snap' issues when the shell plate stops short, not enough rotation,
And the detent ball/spring has to 'Snap' the shell plate into position.
Not as common, but it does happen.

ADJUST YOUR PRESS!

If you haven't read the failure chart & fixes,
And you don't know how to adjust the smallest things on your press,
You aren't going to like the press very much...

It's a COMPLICATED piece of machinery, but Dillon 'Idiot Proofs' as much as they can, THE MACHINE STILL NEEDS TO BE ADJUSTED!

Look at Mr. Morris's photo, right under the shell plate is the ram head.
Right under the head, there is a 'Black' block on the side of the frame.
That block with angled top adjusts the rotation stop of the shell plate...

Two screws to adjust, stop rotation EXACTLY where it's supposed to stop.
They come 'Ready To Run', but not PRECISELY adjusted.

If that doesn't stop/reduce the issue to acceptable levels,
Then order the low pressure spring/low mass ball kit.
Cheap & effective when you are loading really full cases.

Dillon makes a VERY high quality product,
They can not possably adjust YOUR press for every round YOU might come up with...

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Ain't it just like the LNL guys to go off the deep end everytime some minor issue comes up about Dillon presses?

I think they have a HUGE issue with 'Ram Envy'! ;)
 
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"Look at Mr. Morris's photo, right under the shell plate is the ram head.
Right under the head, there is a 'Black' block on the side of the frame.
That block with angled top adjusts the rotation stop of the shell plate...

Two screws to adjust, stop rotation EXACTLY where it's supposed to stop.
They come 'Ready To Run', but not PRECISELY adjusted."

I am not seeing snap back. Installed a bronze bearing and the composite ball, very little powder spill now. Just waiting for the "block with bearing"

OK, inspected the block. I can loosen the screws, but the plate is non adjustable. Maybe a 1/1000 of an inch.

I wonder if that adjustment is fixed and not adjustable on this new press?
 
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