Didn't even consider my gun

Knowing that you have the edge, and, that if you use it, your chances of ending up in jail are about 100% tends to make for a polite society. For awhile in LA guys were opening up with Mac 10's, and that also made for much less road rage bull.

I've actually watched 3 kids hit my car, drunk, with Dad's van, in a parking lot, right in front of me. I played it through my mind, and, the dent in the car was far less painful then loosing my right to protect myself in Kali.

I NEVER want to pull a gun, period. But, I don't want to be the 1 in 17 every year that is a victim of violent crime, or less, in a couple major cities around, in which I work...
 
"You teach teenagers to ignore road ragers, yet you looked at the Mercedes driver three times?

I'm no driving instructor, but I know that making eye contact with a road rager is a definite no-no. If ignoring him would've defused the situation, we can only assume that acknowledging him would escalate it, right?

No sane person would produce a gun under the circumstances you describe, so exactly what kind of response do you expect from your post?

-T"

Actually, I should have written it a little differently. I glanced over and then looked right back at the road, each time. He was right beside my car so the only way to have proper awareness was to briefly check his car's position, every few seconds. Yes, I did look at him very briefly but I was mainly watching his driving. And, it was at night so it's hard to know if he thought I was confronting him by looking over.

And we tell teenagers to ignore a road rager because teenagers tend to make more-emotional decisions than do mature adults, and thus get sucked-into bad situations.

You are correct that no sane person would produce a gun in this situation and I didn't produce my gun, or ever considered producing my gun. Nothing real deep about that statement; that's just what happened.

So why did I post this experience? Certainly not because I was expecting any specific type of response. I was just curious about any type of response, and I was hoping others would share their experiences as well. I like to learn from others, especially when I'm new to something.

Also, I didn't get offended at anything you wrote - although I didn't agree with it all. I'm a big boy and can take alot worse.

:cool:
 
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"BWMRacer, good story. I've wondered how I would react in a similar situation, and have not yet gotten a CCW, partly for this reason. It sounds like you made good decisions - maybe not perfect in hindsight, but good job. I wonder about the home that guy was going back to.
Don"

Right. And I agree that I didn't react perfectly. I was just interested to know what others would have done, or have done, when they were facing the same-type situation. Not whether they "pulled out their weapon" which no sane person would do, but just their general reaction.
 
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Things have changed. Friends were going hunting, did pretty much the same thing you did on Highway 80, going to Nevada. Very quiet, soft spoken guys. Guy with a Porsche got angry, and, was diving under their bumper, keeping pace with them, etc. They were in a pickup, and, it did have gun racks, and they did have rifles, so, the Porsche driver was having serious sanity issues. After a few minutes of being harassed, trying to get away from the guy, etc. the passenger had enough. He pulled his 1911, and, racked the slide, ejecting a round onto the Porsches' windshield. This had an immediate sobbering effect, and, the guy dove for the nearest freeway exit.

These days, the guy would use his cell, call the CHP, and have both of the guys arrested, and, probably get off scott free.
 
Found this article by Mas Ayoob. It's on topic for your situation:
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0BTT/is_174_29/ai_n8968386/pg_3?tag=content;col1

These situations are always reported the same way in the media: "Unarmed Motorist Slain by Police." A full size automobile at fifty miles an hour generates half a million foot pounds of energy. Compute it downward for a small car like a '91 Cavalier and for the lower speed involved--the prosecutor's own expert admitted that the vehicle was accelerating rapidly as it came toward the patrolman--and you still have more body-destroying force than could be mustered if every officer working the midnight shift had fired every round of ammunition in every magazine on their duty belts. Any police officer who has responded to an auto/pedestrian accident knows the sort of horrendous, mangling trauma that such an impact causes. The term "he was strained through the grille" is not just a figure of speech. Avulsions--field amputations--are commonplace when cars slam into humans. Flattened torsos. Skulls literally crushed like eggshells. The cops know what's about to happen to them if they don't use the greatest force available to them to stop it. That's why they shoot at drivers who try to run them down, and that's why the courts generally rule them justifiable for so doing.

I LOVE this quote:
The great Oliver Wendell Holmes had phrased it perfectly in the first half of the 20th Century: "Detached reflection is not demanded in the presence of an upraised knife." Nor should it be demanded in the face of a drawn gun, or an onrushing motor vehicle.
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http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0BTT/is_154_25/ai_77824395?tag=rbxcra.2.a.11

There is no question that American Handgunner helped change that.
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So why did I post this experience? Certainly not because I was expecting any specific type of response. I was just curious about any type of response, and I was hoping others would share their experiences as well. I like to learn from others, especially when I'm new to something.
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You have to realize Bmwracer that there are a bunch of jackasses on the internet that will do anything to get a rise out of you. Safety behind the keyboard works both ways here in internet world. You do not have to apologize for their stupidity.

As far as your post goes. Seems to me you did fine. No one got killed and that's a plus. If I am truly at fault during a driving incident ( my opinion of course) I will truly tell the other driver that I am sorry for not paying attention and take the ass chewing. However I personally don't take bull**** from other drivers either if they were at fault. Pride I guess. :o
 
If there has been a mistake, it lies in his having posted this on a gun forum. Antis have for years expressed concern about road rage resulting in gunfire. Didn't happen here, but if it hadn't been within the realm of possibility, what was the point of posting this in the first place?
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Umm....the title of this thread is Didn't even consider my gun. Seems as if he is (correctly) saying that the antis don't have a leg to stand on, as usual. Any of the "gunplay" they are so afraid of will more than likely be of the illegal type between criminals. So naturally, they think to disarm US.:rolleyes:

I've been in some minor tiffs since I started carrying, and like him, I never considered my weapon. And no, you don't have to be a hothead, sometimes you are forced into it.
 
it would've ended badly for him if he tried to ram my vehicle, my f350 is considerably more sturdy than his car and my 8 years of short track racing would help, many times ive gotten rubrails hooked and the other driver tried to rub me off and every time ive been on the winning end.

diehard, hey glad to see someone local on here, im about 15 miles south of you. my brother in law lives on ferry st up by you
 
I'm very thankful you kept your head and did NOT pull the gun or think about it.

Just a week or two ago down here in FL two cars were northbound on I-95 and each got a case of road rage. The swerving, cussing and gestures quickly turned into one ignorant moron displaying his gun and then you had 2 cars shooting at each other while driving at 70mph up a crowded I-95.

And they each had the nerve to call 911 on the other car. Luckily the 911 operators and police had them pull over (separate places) and each driver/shooter is facing felony charges.
 
your car is a more powerful weapon than your handgun. I'd only consider my gun when I can't drive.
E.g. fall back with your front axle to the height of his rear axle and then give his car a little tip with your's and off he spins. Couldn't do that with my Glocks.
 
BMW Racer

If you drove the way you did in Orlando? Moving over twice to allow people to move in to your lane?

The Police would escort you to the border, which ever border! The Ocean?

Check your license to see where you received it from? Cornflake Box?

etc;etc The favorite lane movement here? See your exit ahead? lots of room on your right? Indicate! Gap gone! Everybody closes ranks, then they drive an inch off the guys bumper in front! Everybody!

You want to have some fun? indicate when you do not want that space!

Hilarius!

Actually it could not happen to a local, they have the turn signals taken out when they buy a car!
 
Interesting thread.....I ride a motorcycle a lot. Not one of them big noisy Harley, or fat cruising bikes, but either a crotch rocket (Aprilia Falco) or one of my Dual Sport bikes...I also carry. (Usually my Kimber Ultra).

When I was in SoCal lane splitting was just the normal way off life, and most drivers understood it was legal (and IMO the safest way to ride a bike). However when I move to soggy Washington last year, what a bunch of temperamental drivers. Even the slow Harley riders have an attitude that they want to slow and block as much traffic as possible. I think drivers training teaches to never move to the right lane. :confused:

I have been riding bikes on the road, track, and desert for over 50 years, (yeah I'm a really old guy), and nothing much intimidates me. I have had people that just scream and yell at me because I change lanes and accelerate right by them in a second. (They were thinking about it, but no signal yet if ever). Probably because of my age (you know when you get this old you are just cantankerous by nature) I sometime throw a little napalm on the situation. :rolleyes:, but having the skills and performance allows me to have the confidence I can accelerate out of any situation.

Never once have I even given a thought to reaching for a weapon while riding. Twice I have called 911 when people were trying to steal a race bike off a trailer in a motel. I then stepped outside with my weapon and put the people on the ground until the police arrived. (I have a vibration monitor that alerts me in my room if the bike is even touched.)

I guess I got an overdose of that competitive gene, because in these "road rage" situation, I do not get the least emotional. I am pretty much in my Zen mode, but will play with people that seem to get upset over nothing.
 
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