Did someone mention how much Glock has influenced the industry?
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In more modern times, take Bill Ruger for example. Now there's an innovator/designer extraordinaire. All those fine guns he blessed use with. All the different designs..ie read "different designs".
After he refined the large bore single action did he rest on a single success? Absolutely not. What came next was forty years of fine firearms of all shapes, sizes, and calibres.
If Bill Ruger would have quit designing after his first success like Glock did he would have simply been a "one design wonder".
If I'm in search of a polymer pistol there's plenty out there. If I'm looking for a stout, big bore single action there's only one...a Ruger. Just my thoughts, J. Parker
After he refined the large bore single action did he rest on a single success? Absolutely not. What came next was forty years of fine firearms of all shapes, sizes, and calibres.
If Bill Ruger would have quit designing after his first success like Glock did he would have simply been a "one design wonder".
If I'm in search of a polymer pistol there's plenty out there. If I'm looking for a stout, big bore single action there's only one...a Ruger. Just my thoughts, J. Parker
J. Parker,
Frankly, I don't care what you think about Glocks but to call Bill Ruger an inovator?????? He's the biggest copy cat in the business. Almost every gun he has ever made is a variation on someone else's design. Blackhawk is a SAA Colt with coil springs. M77 is another kind of Mauser. Mini 14 is the basic Garand action scaled down, and on and on and on.
Frankly, I don't care what you think about Glocks but to call Bill Ruger an inovator?????? He's the biggest copy cat in the business. Almost every gun he has ever made is a variation on someone else's design. Blackhawk is a SAA Colt with coil springs. M77 is another kind of Mauser. Mini 14 is the basic Garand action scaled down, and on and on and on.
....and did I say Shirley? Surely you don't think Ruger's auto pistol's are a copy of anything. Yikes. They're homely things they are but boy do they work and work and work.
As far as myself not liking Glock's I believe you got that from Tamara. Up to this point I've only commented on Mr. Gaston Glock.
I've owned three Glock's. Do I hate them? No. Are they the most over-hyped, over-rated pistol in existence? Yes.
As far as myself not liking Glock's I believe you got that from Tamara. Up to this point I've only commented on Mr. Gaston Glock.
I've owned three Glock's. Do I hate them? No. Are they the most over-hyped, over-rated pistol in existence? Yes.
Re: Bill Ruger, IMHO, his best design is his first design, his .22 auto. He is an innovator because of his use of advanced manufacturing techniques(stamping and casting) to keep costs down and improve product reliability(use of coil springs for example).
Re: Glock, just how much of the Glock pistol design was contributed by Glock personally and how much was contributed by the engineering team, I don't know. He is probably a better marketer and businessman. The pistol is a fusion of several inputs that is more than the sum of its parts (just had to say that).
Re: Glock, just how much of the Glock pistol design was contributed by Glock personally and how much was contributed by the engineering team, I don't know. He is probably a better marketer and businessman. The pistol is a fusion of several inputs that is more than the sum of its parts (just had to say that).
Yeah, Glock has innovated the industry. Their Adds are some of the most successfull out there.
However I would like to note that three of the most successfull and effective and currently used personal combat firearms designs were designed by two men over sixty years ago.
The Vaunted 1911 How something older than a Glock can be said to look like a GLock I don't know?
The first "high cap" firearm HP35.
and the much copied FAL.
However I would like to note that three of the most successfull and effective and currently used personal combat firearms designs were designed by two men over sixty years ago.
The Vaunted 1911 How something older than a Glock can be said to look like a GLock I don't know?
The first "high cap" firearm HP35.
and the much copied FAL.
I wish Gaston...
Knew something about ergonomics. It's true, his safe-action system is revolutionary. The Glocks are incredibly simple and reliable in construction and design. But the guns feel like a block of wood, the grips are too thick, and the grip line and profile are awful. They don't work for me, but hat's off to a new idea in firearms.
PS: At Thunder Ranch, virtually ALL the Glocksters had their hands bandaged like mummies at the end of the course. Looked like a burn ward! Not a bit of discomfort for me or the other 1911 shooters (including Clint Smith and 4 of 5 of the instructors). So I know it's just not me...
Bob
Knew something about ergonomics. It's true, his safe-action system is revolutionary. The Glocks are incredibly simple and reliable in construction and design. But the guns feel like a block of wood, the grips are too thick, and the grip line and profile are awful. They don't work for me, but hat's off to a new idea in firearms.
PS: At Thunder Ranch, virtually ALL the Glocksters had their hands bandaged like mummies at the end of the course. Looked like a burn ward! Not a bit of discomfort for me or the other 1911 shooters (including Clint Smith and 4 of 5 of the instructors). So I know it's just not me...
Bob
Mr. Parker,
Ruger was indeed smart. In fact he may be a marketing genius. His real inovation, which someone else alluded to, was investment casting at a quality and strength not seen before.
Westtexas,
Nice putdown of Glocks. Back in 1977 (a little before the Glock) when I attended Gunsight under Jeff Cooper and Bruce Nelson, I was one of the few in the class not wearing bandaids by the third day. All but one of the class was shooting 1911s. The one exception was a revolver. I was shooting a Commander (aluminum frame). How is it back then those perfect 1911s chewed up everyone elses hands but now only Glocks will do the same?
Answer: I had been shooting 100+ rounds a week for the previous 4 years. Those other folks didn't have anywhere near the calluses I did.
Ruger was indeed smart. In fact he may be a marketing genius. His real inovation, which someone else alluded to, was investment casting at a quality and strength not seen before.
Westtexas,
Nice putdown of Glocks. Back in 1977 (a little before the Glock) when I attended Gunsight under Jeff Cooper and Bruce Nelson, I was one of the few in the class not wearing bandaids by the third day. All but one of the class was shooting 1911s. The one exception was a revolver. I was shooting a Commander (aluminum frame). How is it back then those perfect 1911s chewed up everyone elses hands but now only Glocks will do the same?
Answer: I had been shooting 100+ rounds a week for the previous 4 years. Those other folks didn't have anywhere near the calluses I did.
Kirk Keller
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Hmmm?
Glock, Colt, HK, CZ..... irrelevant. Their names were Colt and Browning. Virtually everything else derives from them...
Glock, Colt, HK, CZ..... irrelevant. Their names were Colt and Browning. Virtually everything else derives from them...