did a little hollowpoint testing this morning

Here is how you do it

Federal 38F-TD 38spl +p+ 110gr Controlled expansion bullet after entering chest, going thru heart and lower lobe of the lung stopping just under the skin in the back of 160 lb male.

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sorry guys when i posted my original findings if i would have known how this would end i would have kept it to myself.since all most people on this thread is worried about is english composition and i do not write/type well enough for the elite here then i will keep my findings to myself.i wasn't trying to start something.i just thought that someone might learn from my experiences.i thought that htis site was kind of a shooters helping other fellow shooters.but,i digress.
peace out,
 
Well sport,I thought that this was a firearms forum.
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It is...one that is populated by mature adults discussing serious subject matter as adults.

Go and read this:
http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=197096&highlight=Raise+the+bar
It is written by the host of this forum.

It's part of the implied contract: act and express yourself as a serious, mature adult. We all bought into it when we signed up.

If you want to play by the rules, you will be welcomed, and both we and you will benefit from the interaction.

If you'd rather take your ball and bat and go play elsewhere, we'll probably get along without you.

Your choice... :)
 
orion i just don't see how that i have not conducted myself as an adult.but to each his own as far as that.oh and i'm sure that you will make it fine with or with out me because it doesn't seem to be that you are very inviting to outsiders.tight knit community.which is a good thing i guess especially if you are a closed society,like this appears to be.don't get me wrong there appear to be some good people on here.i just seem to attract the opposite.
thanks,
 
OK, so you shot a couple of jugs full of water. Thats nice, but what exactly is that supposed to tell us?

In light of all the scientific ballistic testing that has been done and the more informal testing, which included pics and/or video and multiple shots. Your unsubstantiated, anecdotal tale of firing one shot into water jugs does not seem worthy of being referred to as testing.

I walked out back the other day and fired my Colt SAA at a gallon jug of water, I was using a hand loaded 250 grain Speer GD, the water jug split in half and flew up in the air. I should write a thread about it and call it testing the 250 grain Gold Dot.:p
 
Whitearrow, don't pay any attention to the whinny boys. You did conduct yourself in a mature manner. They did not. James
 
sorry guys when i posted my original findings if i would have known how this would end i would have kept it to myself.since all most people on this thread is worried about is English composition and i do not write/type well enough for the elite here then i will keep my findings to myself.i wasn't trying to start something.i just thought that someone might learn from my experiences.i thought that htis site was kind of a shooters helping other fellow shooters.but,i digress.

Whitearrow:

There is a little box with a blue check mark and the letters ABC which is called a spell checker. This is not grammar school but using correct grammar and punctuation is considered common courtesy, and everyone has an easier time in understanding your post. Nothing personal, nothing elitist.:)
 
Wull, I ryte beddar than mosta youz guys. Someone says to try MY bullet (the 124 gr. Rem. JHP) with 6.0 gr. of Power Pistol. Before you do, I suggest that you get a good overview of what works by reading as much as necessary. I find that when pressures are listed for Power Pistol, it looks to be very close to Unique in burn rate, and therefore a bit hot for anything heavier than 115 gr. bullets. I very much prefer powders that deliver highest velocity with lowest pressure (a good trick, and I don't know how they pull that off). I prefer Hodgdon HS-6 for 115 gr bullets, and Blue Dot for 124's.
Alliant doesn't list a load for Power Pistol with a 124 gr. bullet, but it looks like 6.0 gr. would have you going at about 1,160. I did the same test with 7.8 gr. of Blue Dot, moving at more like 1,220, and got the same result as you got. I used both the regular 124 gr. Rem. JHP and the 124 gr. Golden Saber.
Another guy sez that ballistic gel is the better medium, since it most closely resembles the water content and density of flesh. Some truth to that.
In water, the Golden Saber shows a tendency to jacket separation from the lead. In softer mediums, it doesn't.
I think we're naturally inclined to "test" in as many ways as we can find. The problem with tests is that there is no way to replicate an actual gunfight situation. In the real deal, you may have to shoot through different kinds of stuff. Because of that, I'm really wrestling with the idea of using the Ranier plated 124 gr. flat nose. Let's say you shoot through clothing that clogs the hollow point. Feather down is really good at that. Now the bullet is a FMJ with a strong jacket. Even if it hits bone, it will probably not deform very much. The plated flat point will cause a bit more upset in an unobstructed wound channel than a FMJ or clogged HP, but if it does hit bone, it will be very likely to deform, and do more damage.
It's all conjecture, until the fight is over. The really big idea is to poke holes in the bad guy, faster than he can do unto you. You could shoot wooden bullets, and you'd still be better off than throwing rocks.
 
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