destroyed Shield

A side note: Back in the 80's to 90's,American Industry went through changes.
It had to do with the work of Deming,Juran,Crosby,etc...The "Quality" movement.
It does not have anything to do with S+W "being cheap and cutting corners"
To enter other markets around the world,compliance with ISO and other standards was mandatory.
You cannot "Inspect in" quality.You don't make quality by sorting and reworking parts.
And,sad but true,you don't get long term,repeatable quality from Old Joe,whether its from Joes tap of the hammer on the machine,or his file.Old Joe has bad days,and his eyes go bad.He has an occasional hangover.

You get Quality by beginning with a good,manufacturable design.You competitive edge may be a core competency in technology,such as Ruger's investment casting.

Like it or not,today that may include MIM and plastic molding.

Its far better to only make or buy good parts than to have a team of inspectors running around looking for bad parts.

We may get a different product than we grew up with,but,like it or not,the polymer pistol filled with stampings,MIM parts,and roll pins has given us a modest price tool that performs.
AR's are cheap,easy to build,and they perform.

The "Good old days" USA motor vehicles were only expected to go 100.000 miles.Now,250,000 is common.

In "the good old days",a 1 MOA rifle was rare,celebrated,and treasured for shooting crows or 1000 yd competition.

Today,(right or wrong) folks get disappointed when any new rifle shoots 1 1/2 MOA,it seems 1 MOA is an expectation.

I disagree with the sinister implications that S+W conspires to get away with something.Most of the folks in the gun biz treat us pretty well.

Changes in manufacturing have been happening since Eli Whitney,Henry Ford...
 
The issue with sending it back is not the "chutzpah" of getting a warranty replacement despite feeding his pistol a warranty-voiding handload (send them a live round if you can, OP); the issue is giving S&W the opportunity to examine the gun in case there was a fatal flaw, e.g. a metallurgical issue that might be reflected across a given batch. If that's the case, OP might save a whole bunch of other people a nasty injury.

If this happened to me, it's exactly what I would do - I would cheerfully and openly admit the use of handloads, I would announce my intention to eat the loss and buy a fresh gun from them, and I would tell them up front that I was sending them the gun explicity for analysis in case a batch-wide metallurgical failure had contributed to the destruction.

This is the sort of honesty that extracts "no, wait, let us replace it for you" gestures from companies, despite "official policy". The trick is not to expect this as a "given"
 
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I'm not implying S&W is sinister. If anything I've implied they usually stand by their customers. I don't have any complaints with polymer or MIM and I understand modern manufacturing. None of this changes the fact that of the ~10 S&W pistols I've owned no other company has had as high a rate of issues as S&W. QC isn't just Old Joe inspecting pistols by hand. It's also taking samples of parts from different batches and making sure they measure up to spec. This can be done scientifically and I've owned as many pistols from HK and Glock that have shown much better consistency in these parts. Now maybe these companies have better Joes or maybe their process for checking parts is better. Obviously I'm a sample of one man so my experience isn't definitive proof, but after thousands of dollars in purchases I start getting wary. I'm not bashing S&W as I like the design of their products even still and again their customer service has been excellent, but I do wish what I saw in the end products was a bit better.


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forensic analysis via Internet forum is very difficult.

THAT is the best quote I have ever read in a forum where anything is in question.

I nearly lost my coffee over it! :D

Afterall, anyone on a gun forum that makes any kind of assertion, including myself, makes himself a certified armchair mercenary. ;)

If I had a gun explode- and I'm not saying I have or hadn't in the past, I wouldn't tell a living soul. :o
Belly up, send it off and/or get a new one.

If I had an inkling or the slightest thought that I personally made a mistake, I could not in good conscience send it back and not tell them. I value my personal responsibility too highly. After all, isn't that what many on here supposedly champion? Personal responsibility cannot be picked and chosen for situations that fit your own self gratification.

I'm not accusing anyone of anything here- just want each to think about principles that many of us supposedly tout. It made me think.
I appreciate this thread.

Just one last question, when are you going to get a new PC Shield???
 
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I guess the point is the OP doesn't "know" he made a mistake. He may have. If I sent it in I wouldn't lie about it being reloaded ammunition, but S&W on their end will determine if ammo was likely the culprit.


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I agree sending it in to S&W is the best thing.

Yes, I would never make public doing anything really stupid with my guns--especially something like the time I stuck a 308 cartridge in my 270 rifle and fired it. :eek:
 
Just a small thing, but Starline Brass warns against using their brass for +P or +P+ reloads in the Shield due to the unsupported chamber. They do not warn against using their brass for reloading standard pressure 9mm ammo in the Shield. Starline also assumes that their brass will be reloaded more than once so the warning covers that contingency.

9mm brass: also known as 9mm Parabellum, 9mm Luger and 9x19mm. This cartridge is now one of the most popular pistol cartridges in the world. **NOT RECOMMENDED FOR USE IN S&W SHIELD PISTOLS WITH NEAR-MAX OR +P LOADS, DUE TO POORLY SUPPORTED CHAMBER CONDITION**

https://www.starlinebrass.com/brass-cases/9MM-Luger-Brass/

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My comment from the peanut gallery: send it in, without hesitation, unless you were knowingly and intentionally overloading your ammo.

I'm a guy who likes to buy surplus and used guns. No warranties, you inspect the gun and take your chances. I've never had anything blow up on me.

On forums like this, one of the biggest reasons touted to buy a new gun is to get the warranty (it's also used against companies like Tisas, where "warranty" might be so send it back to Bud's or somewhere).

S&W has a warranty on the Shield. This one blew up in the guy's hand. Could have been very serious injuries, thankfully it wasn't.

Send it back, let them determine what happened.
Best case scenario, you get a replacement.
Worst case scenario, they tell you that you did it, nothing will be covered, you will be out shipping and probably a little embarrassed... but will likely be told WHY your reload did it, and you will know what happened.

My brother owned a Bersa 380, under warranty. It was under the seat when his car had a problem
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He was embarrassed to send it in, but I pestered him about it, as the gun cost a couple hundred dollars, and he should at least check.

So he did, and was honest about what happened. They didn't laugh or mock him, they said the gun was under warranty, and they are going to either repair or replace it (probably the latter, since the heat might have costed metal damage).
 
Send it in. Send in the brass and any similar reloads. You can't blame S&W for what they don't know. Let them do their own analysis.

Within recent history a whole platoon of the sheriff's office turned in their Glocks when a range officer discovered malfunction after malfunction. An armoer himself, he discovered the firing pins were splitting. Glock got right on it and did their analysis. That particular batch of Glock firing pins contained steel with too much iron making the firing pins brittle. Under microscopic examination the pins were found to be splitting and then breaking. All Glocks replaced and they all lived happily ever after.
 
As seen there, without "complaints" there will be no forensic testing of failures and no recalls.

The have to know.
 
This is why I don't reload . This and the fact that I am lazy
I do and have always individually hand charged and then hand weigh on a balance each load making it virtually impossible to double charge. Takes a bit longer but results are still well worth it IMO.
 
Reading this thread I had to get my S&W MP out of the safe. I don't know if there is a difference between the shield and full size MP barrel. My barrel shows me that the case is FULLY supported and nothing like the older Glocks. So the OP's thought on a unsupported case is unfounded if the shield and full size barrels are the same chamber wise
 
Don, some people forget that there is a heavy web over the rim, and believe that ff a portion of case body is visible, this means that the cartridge is unsupported. Not actually the case. The heavy web goes up past the groove.

I just looked at a photo of a shield, and I believe that the chamber supports all the way to the web. Maybe.

No, I'm not certain, it's a picture.

You could drop a watermelon into my bodyguard.

The problem with having alternatives in ammo is that if the alternative ammo fails, the gun maker has to redesign the thing until the public can shoot anything up to an old radio tube out of it. The115 pointed flu should feed in nearly anything.
 
The OP has been up front...and says maybe he screwed up on his reloads - or maybe not.

But this circumstance should not be a referendum against reloading...most of us that have reloaded for many years ( myself over 50 yrs now )...and I reload and shoot at least 25,000 handgun rounds a year now..( with at least 80% in 9mm) / and I've never had a case blow up - never had, a double charge or a squib round... ( knock on wood !! )..

...not when I was using a single stage RCBS press way back in the day...or for the last 15 yrs or so on a Dillon 650 with a case feeder and a "powder check die" that will alert me to an issue as small as 0.1 grain in a powder drop.../...the 650, as I have it set up, will easily produce 1,000 rds an hour ...of very high quality rounds. I can still screw it up - by using bad procedures, or just doing something stupid...but a good progressive press these days can be a very safe operation.

I'm glad the OP was not hurt.../ maybe it was his fault, maybe not...very difficult if not impossible to know.

Reloading to me is part of the gun hobby - done it a long time / I'm very serious about the high quality of my rounds. Not having an accident - is not just luck ...its because I follow good procedures, have my press area clean and well tuned - and I check it often while I'm loading.

While many mfg's will void your warranty on a gun if you shoot reloads - Wilson Combat, as an example, is one that does not. They understand the value of reloading - and customizing ones own ammo ...so they support it. It does not mean you can blow up one of their guns with a bad reload ..and expect it to be repaired free of charge...but I'm confident they would be fair about investigating the issue if one occurred.
 
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My glock had a v separation at the case head, and all that happened was a buzzing in my knuckles. It was a fault in the brass. Unless it can be proven that the load was faulty, I would strongly suggest that warranty cover it. Most re l o ads are within saami guidelines. A gun should be capable of commercial equivalent loads.

This guy is innocent proven guilty of blowing up the gun. Lit them prove that he did it, rather than blowing him off because he used the wrong motor oil

Just my opinion. No point in arguing opinion, does anyone really expect to change my thoughts on what is right?
 
Mate I don't know who you think is trying to change your opinion in particular rather than just expressing their own.

I think we're more concerned about this than the OP :D


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I believe that you are right.

If my glock had popped open I'd have sent it home. Since my bodyguard can't seem to do anything right, it's going back.

I sure worry about handloads for it, because that thing has a wide open hole. I'll feel bad if I do, but it will go back if it should pop. I know that it's not a 1911, but it should be able to handle proper loads. It might jus be easier to replace it.

For the firs time, I actually worry about 1/10 grain.
 
I'd definitely send it in. As you were alluding to earlier companies don't learn or stay honest if we don't hold them to their warranties.


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