Derringers and North American Arms for SD?

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In certain situations I can see how these would come into play. The Bond Arms 357 Magnum 2 Round Derringer is such a fun fun to shoot. Recoil is nothing as I have tried it with 38 Special, 38 +P and 357 Magnum with 125gr and 158gr bullets, respectively.

I carry my North American Arms a lot, as a backup gun or for discrete carry alongside a Sig Sauer P365.

What are your thoughts or approach to these novelties?


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It all depends . . .

I have an NAA Blackwidow. Mostly bought it as a range toy. It has come along as a BUG, but my KelTec P3AT makes a better BUG. The NAA little guns are well made and a lot of fun. Just not a lot of practical uses . . . even so . . . I'm thinking about adding the Pug model to my collection.

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Lets see. No sights and just 2 shots. You'd have to be up close and personal with either of 'em. However, as mentioned, gun fight Rule Number One is "Have a gun."
 
When I was a kid (50 or so years ago) someone gave me a two-shot .22 magnum derringer. It was kinda fun but I never could shoot it worth a hoot and it was awkward in my hand. I gave it to somebody else.

I've been thinking real hard about the NAA Ranger II, the top break version in their lineup. I keep talking myself out of it. In that configuration, the gun is as long as my Beretta 3032. The overall height is less, and the NAA weighs considerably less, but the .32 carries 8 rounds and reloads a lot faster. I already have guns that hardly ever get out of the safe, so I don't need to add another to that pile.

So while it looks great and should be a lot of fun, I'm going to continue talking myself out of it.
 
I have a couple of the NAA revolvers. They are cool little guns, but not something I would consider for anything other than a third line, last-ditch use.

That said, and contrary to what Ive seen posted a good bit, they can be shot quite well/accurately, and fairly quickly. For what its worth anyway. I certainly wouldnt want to get shot with one, but they are still just .22's out of a 1" or so barrel, so you'd better be good with it and make them count.

Never been a big fan of the Derringers, other than maybe history, nostalgia, and Greenie Stick'em Caps. Some of the bigger ones in large calibers, just seem silly. For as big as they are, might as well carry a more realistic gun.
 
The Bond derringers hold two shots and weigh more than an LCR. I'll take the NAA Black Widow all day, but really a Kel Tec P32 beats either of the choices.

I see no reason to ever carry a Bond derringer, it's not 1885 anymore and none of us are prostitutes working in a whorehouse or gunfighters playing poker. If you want to pull out the .410 for snakes arguement, the Taurus poly Public Defender holds 5 rounds, better ergonomics, and a DA trigger.

That said, Bond is making cheaper versions of their derringers now and for $275 that's not awful.
 
reteach said:
When I was a kid (50 or so years ago) someone gave me a two-shot .22 magnum derringer. It was kinda fun but I never could shoot it worth a hoot and it was awkward in my hand. I gave it to somebody else.

I've been thinking real hard about the NAA Ranger II, the top break version in their lineup. I keep talking myself out of it. In that configuration, the gun is as long as my Beretta 3032. The overall height is less, and the NAA weighs considerably less, but the .32 carries 8 rounds and reloads a lot faster. I already have guns that hardly ever get out of the safe, so I don't need to add another to that pile.

So while it looks great and should be a lot of fun, I'm going to continue talking myself out of it.
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I'll help you some: The Ranger II is not worth it. All it offers is a faster reload, but the issues of shooting an NAA mini revolver are all still present; your first 5 shots and second 5 shots will be no easier to shoot than a standard $200 NAA.

Between the Sidewinder and the Ranger, I'm thinking that the Sidewinder is a more reliable and robust design. Not as quick to reload as the Ranger, but still faster than the pull pin NAA's.

IMO tho, if you need a fast reload with your NAA, carry a second one or buy a .22 LR/.22 Mag combo and carry the second cylinder already loaded.
 
I really dont see a reload with any of the NAA's being feasible or realistic at all.

Trying to keep rounds in the cylinder when youre at the range or in the yard, when youre relaxed and not stressed can be a challenge. Trying to poke the empties out and then reload, or use another cylinder that somehow keeps the rounds in place, especially with all hell breaking loose around you, just seems to be very unrealistic.

For what and where these guns "might" have a place, a good knife would probably do you just as well, and probably better.
 
The Bond guns are as big as, and heavier than some "J" frame guns.
The mini revolvers are cute. The larger ones are in Keltec P32 territory.
Any gun is better than no gun, but there are far better guns to carry.
 
I might use a NAA or a derringer as a back up. I had a cheaper derringer in 38 special at one time. The trigger pull was unbelievably heavy. Was not fun to shoot. I believe Bond is an excellent weapon. I wonder about the trigger pull.
 
kenny53 said:
I might use a NAA or a derringer as a back up. I had a cheaper derringer in 38 special at one time. The trigger pull was unbelievably heavy. Was not fun to shoot. I believe Bond is an excellent weapon. I wonder about the trigger pull.
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The Bond Arms 357 Magnum 2 Round Derringer trigger is 8 pounds.

I almost carried it on a whim. It is almost as big as my Sig Sauer P365.


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I just acquired a Bond arms Rowdy in .45LC/.410 for EDCand carry in an ankle holster along with my Kahr CW45 in a IWB holster. I do not feel under gunned.
 
Pocket 380 (LCP/P3AT) > derringer or NAA
And that (380) would be as a 2nd gun (back-up whatever) not a primary.
 
Too big, too heavy for two rounds. Single action that is relatively difficult to cock for each round.
Fun range toys, but very limited CCW use. Pretty much deep hide out, last ditch gun.
 
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to each his own, both the north american arms and bond arms handguns can be useful as a ccw.


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I'd even hesitate to call it a belly gun, unless that belly is a few feet away. If there's any physical contact while trying to fire one of those, cocking the SA will become a major obstacle IF you can manage to cock it under the circumstances.

The BJT or ADC DA-38 double action derringers would be the only ones I'd consider for SD, and that would be if I couldn't find my LCP or P-32.

The NAA's do have their small size and low recoil going for them, which are advantages, but I'd rather have a P-32. More rounds, bigger bullet, DA, and faster reloads.
 
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