jason_iowa
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The 185grain jhps 45acp +p+ I shoot out of my 625 close to 1300 fps go clean through dead pigs and expand to over .9 inches. 18+in penetration easy. I have some 255 grain hard cast that will do even better.
16"-18"? Durn. What do you plan to shoot, anyway?
jason iowa said:The best way to take the fight out of someone is to put a big hole through and through someone.
And that's the problem with too much penetration. Ideally -- assuming we hit the bad guy -- we want the round to stop in the bad guy, and expend 100 percent of its energy in the bad guy. 16 inches or more of penetration will go through many (most?) people, wasting energy and potentially wounding people who are behind the intended target.Hurryin' Hoossier said:If you're really hung up on the idea of "penetration", get a Tokarev (suggestably a Zastava M57) or a Česká Zbrojovka vz.52 pistol, both of which are chambered for the 7.62x25 Tokarev round and a box of Sellier & Bellot or Prvi Partizan FMJ. Those things will go through the first guy plus the two standing behind him.
Hard cast bullets sound like a good way of making a clean, minimally damaging through-and-through wound. Not sure what the point of that would be, aside from killing lots of newspaper.
Actually, it is to the point and addresses what has been discussed in this thread. To wit: bullets that don't expand and pass through, don't do that much damage. That's why they keep going so deep - they aren't creating much resistance.This has got to be one of the most ignorant statements I have ever read.
.. it is not an effective bullet for law enforcement use.
To wit: bullets that don't expand and pass through, don't do that much damage.
Not unless the hollowpoint round doesn't expand much.Its going to cause much more damage than a 45 hollow point going half way through someone.
It can happen, but the result is not the same in terms of the downrange danger.And what does one say when their picked JHP round DOES completely penetrate, even when its paper/gelatin performance indicates it shouldn't? Yes, it DOES happen. Probably more often than people realize.
Energy is work. When we say that a round produces 400 foot pounds of muzzle energy, that's potential work. The work we want to accomplish is destroying tissue. If a JHP enters the torso and stops 10 inches later, we know it has expended all 400 ft/lbs of work destroying things in that torso.
If a solid bullet starts with 400 ft/lbs and exits the torso with enough energy to penetrate another 20 inches, we KNOW the round expended less than half of that 400 ft/lbs of work on the target. Which is more lethal, a wound caused by 200 ft/lbs of energy, or 400 ft/lbs?
You also seem to be confusing lethality with the reason solids are used for dangerous game.
This notion is generally supported by the fact that more powerful FMJ rounds are notably less lethal than many lower power JHPs.