Dem Senator Says "Not Interested in Conpromise with NRA"

Funny that the media continues to ignore the fact that Columbine was an act of domestic terrorism and not a spree shooting by two supposed bullied loners.

It is way more than that. The media ignores, has not mentioned at all that the past 25 years, the gun homicide rate has fallen well over 50%, and in the 5-18 and 5-20-year old cohorts fallen even more.

As far as assault rifles, lots of major gun murders are without them, Cho killed more school attended with pistols, and Breivik at Utoya Norway killed more students with a rifle legal in Canada, still legal in Norway, and legal and not an assault rifle in NYC and DC than any US school shooting.

Banning AR would do what? shift mode to more events like Va Tech, Utoya, Navy Yard?
 
The thing about situations like this is, the antis get arrogant and state what's really on their minds. The best-known example was Sen. Feinstein's "Mr. and Ms. America, turn them all in" rant on 60 Minutes after President Clinton signed the original AWB.
Yup, the "vampires" get very confident when they have fresh blood to feed on.
 
Asking the N.R.A to compromise is nothing more that stripping down the 2nd amendment. WE don't know if restrictions such as this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun-Free_School_Zones_Act_of_1990 not been put into place, if there were no restrictions to where THE PEOPLE can carry, such as federal buildings (really, those sworn to uphold the constitution ban it in their buildings) had not been put in place would there had been no mass shootings, BUT we do know the shootings go for the soft targets. And once again, I give thanks every day hillary is unemployed.
 
It is way more than that. The media ignores, has not mentioned at all that the past 25 years, the gun homicide rate has fallen well over 50%, and in the 5-18 and 5-20-year old cohorts fallen even more.

Any reliable sources for that?
Good to know where to find it/read it in more detail.



This whole catastrophic situation will continue to spiral for as long as no one does a serious, broad and unbiased review of why these atrocities take place.

If they can't start being able to say, with some certainty, why young men go on rampages in schools/churches then firearms will continue to be the one and only lightning rod for public ire and a springboard for political ambitions.


We all know guns are not the cause, but until we can start to say what is the cause, they are too easy a target.
 
They’d ont want compromise of discussion of anything related to firearms of the 2nd Amendment. They just want their way - period.
 
Pond said:
Any reliable sources for that?
Good to know where to find it/read it in more detail.
Probably FBI crime statistics.

Whatever statistics you find, be sure to read the fine print. Some statistics include people up to age 25 as "children." Also, "homicide" does not equate to "murder." A gang banger killed by a police officer in a completely justified shooting is still a "homicide." Anti-gun types like to include ALL deaths by firearms in their counts, even though many are not what the country needs to be worrying about.

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2016/crime-in-the-u.s.-2016/cius-2016

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2016/crime-in-the-u.s.-2016/topic-pages/violent-crime

20-year chart: https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2016/crime-in-the-u.s.-2016/topic-pages/tables/table-1
 
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Count Trump in that bucket too....he just bragged about "not needing the NRA" so it looks like we put our money on the wrong horse.

Drain the swamp means getting rid of all special interest groups/lobbyists that buy and sell our politicians. That includes the NRA. If you voted for trump and wanted him to drain the swamp then his statement is exactly what you voted for.

Having said that Trump is not draining the swamp. Washington is filled with lobbyists and trump has a number of them working on his team.
 
Count Trump in that bucket too....he just bragged about "not needing the NRA" so it looks like we put our money on the wrong horse.

Are you implying we should have voted for Hillary???

Not in a million freaking years!!!!

NO, Trump isn't our friend, never was. He'll throw our interests under the bus if he thinks its the right thing to do. Never was any doubt in my mind about that. On the other hand, the other choice was immeasurably WORSE!!!

With Trump, we got someone who might only give our interests lip service, and might "betray" us on this or that, but he has not (so far) shown to be someone who is actively working against our interests. You cannot say that about Hillary, gun control is part of her party's planks now.

There was no "right horse", and there hasn't been for some time. I'd rather waste my "money" on a horse that won't run than on one who is determined to kick me to death.
 
Are you implying we should have voted for Hillary???

Not in a million freaking years!!!!

NO, Trump isn't our friend, never was. He'll throw our interests under the bus if he thinks its the right thing to do. Never was any doubt in my mind about that. On the other hand, the other choice was immeasurably WORSE!!!

With Trump, we got someone who might only give our interests lip service, and might "betray" us on this or that, but he has not (so far) shown to be someone who is actively working against our interests. You cannot say that about Hillary, gun control is part of her party's planks now.

There was no "right horse", and there hasn't been for some time. I'd rather waste my "money" on a horse that won't run than on one who is determined to kick me to death.
And if hillary had been elected, the scotus would now be 5-4 in favor of the liberals. That would mean the 2nd would be on life support.
 
And if hillary had been elected, the scotus would now be 5-4 in favor of the liberals. That would mean the 2nd would be on life support.

Well, when you put it that way then yeah, Trump wanting to void the 2nd and 4th Amendments seems almost trivial.
 
What we need to do now is help President Trump find his spine again.

It takes 5 minutes or less to contact the President. I urge everyone to do it -- multiple times. As they say in Chicago, "Vote early and vote often." The Pres doesn't read all these messages, but the staff count them.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/contact/
 
The POTUS's recent comments are a bit concerning. Anyone else a bit nervous by the "take the guns first and worry about due process later" comment he repeated a few times yesterday? I mean really? WTH
 
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Drain the swamp means getting rid of all special interest groups/lobbyists that buy and sell our politicians.

So, you contend that “drain the swamp” means eliminating a key aspect of democracies since forever? I think that shows a poor understanding of how democracies and republics work. Constituents organizing to lobby their representatives is an important part of democracy.

“Drain the swamp” can mean vastly different things to different people, which is why it makes such a handy political slogan. It concerns me that you think constituents organizing to lobby their Congressmen is a problem or that it needs to be fixed.
 
Its relatively easy to advance fundamentally flawed legislation or legislation that would have effects you do not want if you know it has no chance of going forward or passing. When you know its not going to make it to general discussion or have any chance of actually reaching negotiation its very easy to take a "no compromise" stance. Take for example the countless (ok not countless there is a number) votes to repeal the affordable health care act. Easy votes to cast when you know its dead in the water and a sudden problem when it might move forward. I don't intend to discuss the merits of that particular legislation its just a good example
 
That's because their definition of "compromise" is very flawed, and purposefully so.

A compromise involves a situation in which either party gives a little and gets a little. What did we get in exchange for the 1934 NFA? Nothing. The 1969 GCA? Nothing. When the FOPA was set to pass in 1986, they were appalled that there were provisions that might actually benefit gun owners, so they poisoned it with the Hughes amendment.

What did we get in exchange for the Brady Bill or the Assault Weapons Ban? Nothing. In fact, the little negotiation the NRA was able to do to ameliorate the effects of those bills (no persistent registry, 10-year sunset on the AWB, letting people actually keep property they lawfully owned prior to the law) was scorned by the bills' sponsors. Going into the vote, they crowed about how great those laws were. Once the President signed both bills, they claimed they hadn't gone far enough.

The important thing to remember is this: gun control is an incremental strategy, with the end goal being as close to total civilian disarmament as possible. Any "compromise" its advocates offer is simply a pause along the way. They simply can't be dealt with in good faith when they're so dishonest about their intentions.


This. On another note, are there any other examples, other than the Lautenberg Amendment, where someone can lose a Constitutional right for life because of a misdemeanor?
 
So, you contend that “drain the swamp” means eliminating a key aspect of democracies since forever? I think that shows a poor understanding of how democracies and republics work. Constituents organizing to lobby their representatives is an important part of democracy.

“Drain the swamp” can mean vastly different things to different people, which is why it makes such a handy political slogan. It concerns me that you think constituents organizing to lobby their Congressmen is a problem or that it needs to be fixed.

I mean, how could I take it to mean something different than what Trump said “We are fighting for every citizen that believes that government should serve the people, not the donors and not the special interests" - Trump

https://www.politico.com/story/2017/01/trump-administration-lobbying-purge-233736

http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-bl...obbying-ban-was-big-step-towards-draining-the

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...7d93165c6d4_story.html?utm_term=.aa7c55ddf1b3
 
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