Definition of straw purchase in Minnesota?

FFL is just being stupid.

The gift 'instructions' are right on the back of the 4473. and this would be a gift if you gave her the gun.

A 'straw purchase' is lying on question 11 a) on the front of the 4473.

Nothing more.

It does not involve a prohibited person.

Even gifting a gun to a prohibited person is illegal, but would still not be a straw purchase unless they gave you the money for the gun (before or after you purchased it.

It is astounding how many folks seem to sign the form without actually READING it (and that includes the instructions).

I have a bridge for sale for you all.
 
The shop is being a jerk. You bought it, it is yours. Your wife will shoot it. Nothing illegal.
But, if the shop reports this, there is a possibility the prosecutor is as big a jerk as the shop owner. Right, wrong, legal, illegal doesn't figure into the equation. What ATF and the prosecutor want to do to you is all that matters.
Sorry. I have a friend who learned that the hard way. The Feds have hundreds of lawyers and unlimited resources. You might be lucky enough to hire one lawyer, for a while, until you are broke.
Bring wife in and have her buy in her own name. Or switch dealers to handle your business.
 
If the husband paid for the gun and the store told him he can't have it because it is for his wife, so his wife does the paperwork, would that not be the definition of a straw purchase?
What would the ATF think if the wife did the paperwork on the gun her husband bought?
What would the ATF think if they found out an FFL holder was encouraging their customers to break the law?
 
patrickmn said:
...would that not be the definition of a straw purchase?...
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No. I suggest that you carefully re-read this entire thread.

A straw purchase is fully defined in post 6 and also explained in posts 11 and 21.
 
It says Brown can buy a gun for Black as a gift and that Brown could do the paperwork because Brown is the person making the purchase. In this case, the husband has already bought and paid for the gun as a gift to his wife. The ATF rule from your post 6 says the husband could lawfully complete the paperwork because he is the purchaser. The question is, does the ATF rule that says the husband could do the paperwork also allow the wife to do the paperwork, since it is a gift to her?

From reading the information from the ATF and the form 4473, I thought the person paying for the gun always has to be the one doing the paperwork.
 
as stated, it was as much for me as for her. I will never transfer ownership so therefore it is not a gift. I was merely purchasing another gun for my household that my wife would be more comfortable shooting when we go to the range.:)
 
wouldn't name them because I do respect their right to refuse service to anyone. they are wrong in this situation but I do like them and wish them the best.
 
I recently had to point out to an FFL the appropriate paragraph on the back of the 4473.

I was buying a shotgun for my nephew as a graduation gift. (His mother bought him one for his birthday.)

He was in the store with me and I asked him, is that the one you want?

The FFL overheard the conversation and said he could not sell the gun to me because he knew it was going to my nephew. He read the paragraph on the back of the form and then called someone at the Kansas City Office of the ATF.

"Never realized it was legal to do that." The rest of the transaction was flawless.

Maybe you could point it out to the FFL and get him to make a phone call.
 
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