Defense of Self/Property Prosecution in MA

Well, you know the public schools teach this way of thinking...why should we be surprised that some actually believe it.


Don't think so? Consider: bully pushes another kid around until the person being bullied fights back...who gets suspended from school????

answer in most every case...both kids. No investigation as to who was the bully, and who was bullied...the kids were fighting, they are suspended.
 
@hermannr: That is exactly what they taught me in school, especially after Columbine. I am only 25 so I was going into 8th grade that year after Columbine. If a bully hits you, you are supposed to take it and just scream for a teacher hoping they get there before you are too hurt. If the teacher does not see it, it did not happen. Needless to say that is not how I was raised and not what I did. They are teaching our children to be passive in the face of an agressor, conditioning them to be victims and it just ain't right.
 
I live in upstate NY and had a friend (am no longer friends with him) that was at a local gas station and a guy punched him and pushed him to the ground so my friend hit him back 1 time in the face and broke his jaw. The other idiots with my friend were drunk and went on to hit and kick the guy while he was down and my friend got charged with gang assault (no prior record and NOT in a gang) and got 5 years probation. All over self defense and some drunk friends. There were even witnesses that stated HE only hit the guy once and had nothing to do with the assault after that. I wish it was like it used to be, someone hits you and you hit them back. Good old self defense.
 
I'm only a couple years younger than Patriot86, so I'm well aware of the zero tolerance policy so many schools have adopted. You'd be amazed at how effective an angry mother is at conveying to the school officials that their lack of security forced a kid to defend themselves. Got me out of trouble once or twice.

It really is a sad state of affairs when a kid defending himself from a bully could end up with assault, or at the very least mutual combat charges. The advice my mom always gave me was "if I ever hear you started a fight, I'll kick your *** myself. But you better be sure to finish it if someone starts one with you."
 
"I'm only a couple years younger than Patriot86, so I'm well aware of the zero tolerance policy so many schools have adopted. You'd be amazed at how effective an angry mother is at conveying to the school officials that their lack of security forced a kid to defend themselves. Got me out of trouble once or twice. "


That worked at my Jr. High School, they were somewhat understanding. The teachers knew what was going on and mostly took my side. High School was another story, whatever the teacher saw was what happened. If someone kicked your teeth in 20 times, then the teacher came round the corner to see you pushing them away YOU would be the one going to jail PEROID. Thankfully, the only serious fight I got into during Highschool the teacher rounded the corner when the other guy punched me after I broke his choke hold. I got jumped by 3 people and I would have been the one in jail if the teacher had come round the corner a little earlier to see me pushing the first 2 guys away from me.

Really though it did teach me a lot about life, nice guys finish last, bad things happen to good people and justice isin't just. Best to settle things before the police arrive and not be in a compromising position when they do.
 
Thankfully once high school came around I had filled out, and developed a reputation as soemone you really don't want to mess with. That said, my HS had security cameras, so if they tried that "well I saw you so..." bs I'd have told them pull the tapes or get ready for litigation. Zero tolerance is bs. Let kids defend themselves and drum out the constant problems. Ita not hard to tell the difference between a good kid forced to defend himself and a bad apple.

Sorry, back on topic.
 
Vote these kind of idiots out of office at every opportunity. Any office, now matter how much good they do, just one action like this is destructive to the people and they need removed from responsibility.
 
Back in the day, we all had rifles in our trucks in the High School parking lot starting October 1st (elk season opener), settled our disputes at lunch hour down at Seely's barn using our knuckels, and if the cops caught us with beer on the weekends they took us home and let dad "teach us a lesson".

As far as the OPs' original post, I truly believe that people often have these illogical beliefs about use of force because they have never had any personal experience with crime. I believe, but can't prove, that once some becomes a crime victim, their thinking on self defense changes rather quickly.

I would suspect that the DA in this case would most surely become an advocate for use of force if he/she were ever assulted and couldn't find a cop anywhere around to help.

Personal experience is becoming more and more benign. Fewer and fewer people need to actually provide for themselves. We are becoming an urban society where everything we need is just around the corner at the local box store. People aren't required to provide their own subsitance. They don't need to provide their own security living in the gated community. Therefore, they think it savage when they hear of someone actually defending themselves.

It all changes once it they actually have an experience!!
 
I live here in Mass, am in law enforcement, and promise you that when I retire in eight years it will be in New Hampshire, Maine, or anywhere else but this sickening liberal cesspool.
 
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