Defense against LEO(s)

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So, PK, if a cop came into a store while you were there with the wife, and he had a uniform and if he had arrived in a patrol car, but his first action was to effectively assault your wife, how would that modify your reaction?
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Are you suggesting that I should shoot him? Are you suggesting that I should argue with him? Maybe I should jump on the guy? What could POSSIBLY be the positive outcome of any of those actions?

I'd say "Honey, do as he says, right now." and I'd do the same. Basically, if you lay on the floor with your arms out then what else is the guy going to do? All he can do is handcuff you and maybe kick you around a little. Much better than being dead.

In the end, it's no different than what happens when LE is unreasonable at a traffic stop. Arguing gets you nothing, BEST CASE. If you really tick them off, it can get you arrested, beat up, pepper sprayed, who knows....

Keep your mouth SHUT. Do as you're told. Deal with it later. I'd rather be beat up and alive than "right" and dead.
 
I'm not suggesting shooting a cop

and I agree that compliance is the better initial response; however, your previous post seemed to be assigning more blame to the victim than the cop. This probably was not your intent, but it read that way. Based on news articles and especially the video, the cop lied through his teeth, and he deserves none of the benefit of the doubt that I usually give to cops.

Innocent until proven guilty, sure, but I don't think it would have been hard to prove. Looks like the DA didn't want to upset the PD.

Given the circumstances in this scenario, comply, but immediately get an attorney and make sure they interview the clerk and subpoena the security tape.

I had thought about asking what the response should be if the cop had really gone into a beatdown mode on the girl, but I think we probably don't want to go there. I don't think the thread could remain civil.
 
If I am wrongly aggressively treated by a LEO, I hope he only has a pistol drawn... not one them pee yer pants tasers! I can scrap with a guy holding a gun, but don't even want to get tased!:eek: Can you imagine the embarrassment of peein' yer britches in public?:o
In all seriousness I am pro LEO so long as they act within the scope of duty with the respect for citizens we deserve and I demand. Get too frisky with me without due cause and I will surely tow the line and bow up equal and commensurate to your uncalled for behavior up to and including putting a death grip on your firearm with one hand (the reason I would refrain if it is a taser) and throwing punches with the other...
I know it would likely go south for me in a hurry but I just don't got much "back up" or "quit" in me! Too many years with bulldogs I guess.
Brent
 
I speculate that the boy waved them off fearing police involvment for the accident that was his fault...and then lied to his daddy who went off half cocked.
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Edward, I do believe that you are on to something my friend.....
 
That's a good tid bit of information

I just don't got much "back up" or "quit" in me! Too many years with bulldogs I guess.
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Mind over matter they say. It could be handy if you ever find yourself in a defendant type situation.

Sometimes you're better off with Grayhounds.
 
Sometimes you're better off with Grayhounds.
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I just snarked coffee out my nose all over my walnut and oak veneer desk and electronics picturing my ugly mug on a greyhound runnin' "like the wind"... Come to think of it... I like your use of that breed to counter my analogy but figure my ugly mug is better suited on a bulldog body rather than the svelte runnin' dog!:D
Brent
 
The LEO in this case went way, way, way beyond the scope of his authority, and in my opinion, anyone in that store would have been justified in drawing down on him, and shooting him if he did not drop his weapon. He committed aggravated battery against Ms. Lawless (this is obvious to anyone who watched it) while brandishing a firearm. His status as a law enforcement officer works against him, not for him, in that circumstance. He was not responding to a call - he was proactively and without any foundation whatsoever attacking a citizen. I hope Ms. Lawless and the others are able to take everything he owns.
 
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